Why Does God Not Solve World Hunger?

[Question.Everything]

And what if those deaths and cost were apart of a greater plan?

Since we're talking about if YOU or I had the power to do this; what greater plan would you have?

Indeed. What of those who are now saved or found God as a result of Katrina. Or what of those who know God truly exists now because of Katrina?

Kill people in order to bring others to the proper religious faith. Sounds a bit like Hitler to me.

 

[drich0150]

I think that shows a lot about your moral character, although I doubt you care about morals since the only thing you seem to care about is God and afterlife. This is exactly how Islamic terrorists think. It's dangerous to be so fervent in a belief (ESPECIALLY a God belief) that you'll say "No, I wouldn't save millions of starving children if I could do it with the snap of a finger."

What a self righteous bigoted response. You have God's answer, and now you have God's plan, and yet you are content in allowing billions to die, rather than placing yourself in a position to fill a need. you would rather point to all else that is lacking in the world. than doing something now! It seems that you are content to wallow in your self righteousness.

I disagree. Imagine you are a parent, and your child walks over to a strip of hot coals on the ground. You may say "Don't walk on those coals, you'll burn yourself." The child may still be defiant and go for it. So the child walks on the hot coals and pays the consequences of his action - his feet start to burn. Then another consequence (that he didn't think about) happens, and the child falls onto the coals, burning his entire body. As he/she lays there screaming in agony, as a watching parent do you bail your child out and lift them off the coals? Or do you let them suffer the consequences of their choice and lay there burning until they die?

your analogy is not consistent with what God has put into place. God allows for the physics of fire. He gives us pain receptors to sense fire, and the damages it causes. Whether we burn our children intentionally or if they accidentally fall into fire has nothing to do with the physics that have been put into place that allow for fire. god will not change the physics of fire just so foolish children or neglectful parents do not hurt themselves. Fire is a tool It is neither Good or bad. Subsequently not every child who burns himself in a fire is a result of "bad parenting."

Now let's take it a step further and relate this more to what we're talking about. Imagine a random guy in the park takes your child and throws them on the hot coals. Do you run and help your child off the coals, or do you allow them to suffer the consequences of the choice that a random man made?

Again, your analogy does not reflect any of what we are talking about here. Nothing being illustrated by your efforts accurately represent God, or the choices we have been given. If you truly believe that it does then please take the time and connect the dots for me.

And if it takes weeks/months of excruciating pain. And I doubt a 2 month old Somalian baby is prepared to die.

Um God doesn't help.

I disagree.

Having a book written that says "love other people" is not helping solve the problem of world hunger, cancer, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. Having a book that says "love other people" isn't unique either, there are hundreds of books that preach that very thing.

It is sad, but it does not look like you are looking for the answers you claim to be looking for. If you are why not address what I wrote? Why have you ignored it and simply restated your "feelings" and draw analogies that do not connect with what is being discussed.

That is a pathetic attempt at "help" to someone with infinite power. I'm talking about physically intervening like he was said to have done thousands of years ago. He was even gracious enough to wipe out our entire species to "help" us out.

What is truly pathetic is a finite closed minded person attempting to judge God for not acting in the small predictable steps that person want to see God work.

 

[GrayAngel]

Does a God who has infinite power and love place "more" or "less" concern on things? Doesn't he infinitely have the most concern for everything? It shouldn't take God any more effort to maximally care for our personal comfort as well as maximally care for our soul.

Like all of us, God has His hierarchy of priorities. The Bible says that God counts every tear, but it also says that He allows His children to suffer for their own benefit. Like any good father, He chooses for us not based on temporary pleasures but on long-term benefits.

So wiping out millions of innocent people saves their souls? I'd like to see you explain this one.

Again, how does allowing some kid in Kenya die of starvation make their hearts right? Do you think starving children all magically discover God by themselves as a result of starving?

Every child who is starving will not be saved, but the fact that it's such an epidemic gets our attention so that we're moved to go and do something about it.

The fact that every starving person is not helped, however, is still not the fault of God. It's our responsibility for not having a greater response.

And your assumption that they're innocent is based in your own false theology. All men are sinners. No one deserves God, but He has mercy on us anyway. You make it sound like we deserve to have God serve our every need.

Please explain the positive sides of world hunger and hurricanes.

I've explained world hunger already, but hurricanes are more complicated. Every event is unique, sparking off countless other chains of events. It would be ludicrous to think that we could fully understand the mind of God in regard to each one of the countless people affected.

That's insane. Absolutely insane.

"9/11 had much better positives than negatives", what an insulting statement.

Aside from thousands of INNOCENT lives here and overseas, 9/11 cost us TRILLIONS of dollars and fueled our militarism in the Middle East, which costs us TRILLIONS more and is putting the US in debt it may never recover from.

Nice to see you're keeping such an open and clear mind on the subject.

Funny, just a few hours someone said something almost identical on a television interview, and no one thought it was "insulting" or "insane."

Fact is, 9/11 did bring people together. For a while, we stopped caring about political parties, but we united as Americans. For a little while, we stopped caring about offending people with religious prayers, and we turned to God to heal our nation. Many people turned to God and were saved as a result.

And not to downplay the lives that we lost, but one thing you're overlooking is that there were many more people who lived than died.

 

[Question.Everything]

your analogy is not consistent with what God has put into place. God allows for the physics of fire. He gives us pain receptors to sense fire, and the damages it causes. Whether we burn our children intentionally or if they accidentally fall into fire has nothing to do with the physics that have been put into place that allow for fire. god will not change the physics of fire just so foolish children or neglectful parents do not hurt themselves. Fire is a tool It is neither Good or bad. Subsequently not every child who burns himself in a fire is a result of "bad parenting."

Hold on here. My analogy has nothing to do with the "physics of fire" just like what I'm comparing it to has nothing to do with the "biology of starvation". What are you honestly talking about? My analogy is about a parent helping their child out of a fire, not letting them suffer the full consequences of their actions.

Again, your analogy does not reflect any of what we are talking about here. Nothing being illustrated by your efforts accurately represent God, or the choices we have been given. If you truly believe that it does then please take the time and connect the dots for me.

I'll try to make this as short and plain as I possibly can:

If you see a random man pick your child up and throw them into a pile of hoat coals, would you run and pull your child out of the fire? It's a human nature question I'm asking you.

How the analogy is consistent with God/world hunger: you seem to say that world hunger is one result of man's imperfection and ability to sin. Because man has sinned for the past 200,000 years, we still feel those consequences; even innocent people like children in Somalia feels the consequences of the sins from random men.

Now like the random man that threw your kid into a pile of coals, random men cause other children to have a lack of food and die of starvation. In the hot coal scenario, you (the loving parent) have the power to pull your child out of the fire and prevent them from suffering the consequence of death. In the world hunger scenario, God (the loving parent) has the power to feed that starving innocent child and prevent them from suffering the consequence of death.

I'm going to assume that you would pull your child from the pile of hot coals. God does not save his children from starvation, he let's them suffer the consequence of death. Our human nature is not consistent with God's nature, which makes the Biblical statement "We were created in God's image" contradicting and false.

And now to use this analogy to describe how you are replying: let's say this burning pile of coals is in a public park. Random man comes and throws your kid into the pile, and you (the parent) sits and let's it happen, because that's the consequence of being thrown into a pile of coals. What you're doing is saying "Well why don't the other people in the park go and help the child burning in the coals? Why should the parent be responsible for the safety of his child? If everyone did their part, that child would have been rescued in no time." Do you see how your replies make absolutely no sense? You are saying a parent shouldn't be fully responsible (and do everything in their power) for the protection of their child. That's not how we act.

Starvation isn't a peaceful process that happens overnight. It can take months for someone food-deprived to die, and the days grow excruciatingly painful.

It is sad, but it does not look like you are looking for the answers you claim to be looking for. If you are why not address what I wrote? Why have you ignored it and simply restated your "feelings" and draw analogies that do not connect with what is being discussed.

Because from the beginning your responses have not been on topic with my questions. I ask why God doesn't help and you answer with "Well why aren't YOU doing the best you can?" This is simply dodging my question, refer to the analogy above for more detail.

 

[Question.Everything]

Funny, just a few hours someone said something almost identical on a television interview, and no one thought it was "insulting" or "insane."

I would love to see a clip of a newscaster saying 9/11 brought on more good things than bad. Please, give me a reference.

Fact is, 9/11 did bring people together. For a while, we stopped caring about political parties, but we united as Americans. For a little while, we stopped caring about offending people with religious prayers, and we turned to God to heal our nation. Many people turned to God and were saved as a result.

God didn't heal our nation though. Thousands of people died and we launched ourselves into pointless wars overseas (killing hundreds of thousands more). We went trillions of dollars into debt-hole that we're only digging ourselves deeper into now.

Your ignorance honestly depresses me, because I know there are a lot of people like you out there who feel the same way. Faith corrupts you from seeing reality for what it actually is. It's corrupted you so much in fact that you support the idea that 9/11 was a good thing. Horrifying.

 

[GA777]

There are different reasons :

-1- Because that may help those people to get their salvation.If they may be rich,many of them may forget about God,or when they are able to live their own lives.And when children die,they go to heaven(many people die because of hunger when they are small most of the times).
-2- He set them for us,so we can help them and show if we are good or how good we are.
-3- Because of pain,people in the afterlife's rewards can get multiplied,and/or their punishments would be lessened.
-4- Through hunger,people can stop caring about the actual life,and put their eyes on the eternal one so they do the will of God etc.
-5-Because the world turned its back on him,faith and belief and love are decreasing and people are only doing what causes him to be sad.People arent leaving their burdens to God anymore.
-6- Most people nowadays dont believe in God,and most of the believers dont ask,seek,knock (this can be both used as a cause and a consequence for hunger in order that people believe/get closer to god) .

Matthew 7 : 7“Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks, receives. Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.

7- People would by then seek food and work for it because they want to save their life and not die of hunger.They'd know the feeling of hunger and pain by then and try to save as many people as they can from hunger when they get to their wealth.

There are many reasons but I could just come up with those now.



And God looks at the future,we look at the present,that's why people tend to judge God, we dont know that he's preparing us for something much better,but are always supposed to whine like the israelites did in the desert.He's doing excellent things through things which seem to us very bad.Humans and God intelligence are different.Therefore we cant understand him enough.We have to be as intelligent as God to judge his actions,and we only know a tiny bit about him,therefore we cant understand more than a little about him and his thoughts and actions.

 

[Question.Everything]

And when children die,they go to heaven(many people die because of hunger when they are small most of the times).

Where in the Bible does it say unbaptized unbelieving children go to heaven?

-2- He set them for us,so we can help them and show if we are good or how good we are.

This is completely against the doctrine of Christianity. Good deeds do not get you into heaven, only accepting Christ will.

-3- Because of pain,people in the afterlife's rewards can get multiplied,and/or their punishments would be lessened.

Where are you pulling this from?

-4- Through hunger,people can stop caring about the actual life,and put their eyes on the eternal one so they do the will of God etc.

Are you completely delusional? The millions of starving children (and adults) in Africa do not all find God due to starvation. They get sick, desperately try to find food to stay alive, and then die.

-5-Because the world turned its back on him,faith and belief and love are decreasing and people are only doing what causes him to be sad.People arent leaving their burdens to God anymore.

So God punishes us by allowing millions of innocent people to die a slow, torturous death. That's loving.

-6- Most people nowadays dont believe in God,and most of the believers dont ask,seek,knock (this can be both used as a cause and a consequence for hunger in order that people believe/get closer to god) .

And as I've said, you're completely delusional if you think starvation brings people to God.

 

[GA777]

Where in the Bible does it say unbaptized unbelieving children go to heaven?



This is completely against the doctrine of Christianity. Good deeds do not get you into heaven, only accepting Christ will.



Where are you pulling this from?



Are you completely delusional? The millions of starving children (and adults) in Africa do not all find God due to starvation. They get sick, desperately try to find food to stay alive, and then die.



So God punishes us by allowing millions of innocent people to die a slow, torturous death. That's loving.



And as I've said, you're completely delusional if you think starvation brings people to God.

It says people have to be like children to enter the kingdom of heaven.So children do.

Accepting Christ while doing deeds get you to heaven.That is against your own interpretation of the bible.

Go figure.

I gave you 7 options,not 1, so if it isnt this one,it belongs to 1 or of the other options here.

He isnt punishing.He is not helping in this.There's a huge difference.

I said it "can be a cause"

Why would all these things matter if this world is temporary and the other is an infinite world filled of happiness?

It's funny how some people come here with an agenda while they pretend to be here just because of questions.

 

[drich0150]

Hold on here. My analogy has nothing to do with the "physics of fire" just like what I'm comparing it to has nothing to do with the "biology of starvation". What are you honestly talking about? My analogy is about a parent helping their child out of a fire, not letting them suffer the full consequences of their actions.



I'll try to make this as short and plain as I possibly can:

If you see a random man pick your child up and throw them into a pile of hoat coals, would you run and pull your child out of the fire? It's a human nature question I'm asking you.

How the analogy is consistent with God/world hunger: you seem to say that world hunger is one result of man's imperfection and ability to sin. Because man has sinned for the past 200,000 years, we still feel those consequences; even innocent people like children in Somalia feels the consequences of the sins from random men.

Now like the random man that threw your kid into a pile of coals, random men cause other children to have a lack of food and die of starvation. In the hot coal scenario, you (the loving parent) have the power to pull your child out of the fire and prevent them from suffering the consequence of death. In the world hunger scenario, God (the loving parent) has the power to feed that starving innocent child and prevent them from suffering the consequence of death.

I'm going to assume that you would pull your child from the pile of hot coals. God does not save his children from starvation, he let's them suffer the consequence of death. Our human nature is not consistent with God's nature, which makes the Biblical statement "We were created in God's image" contradicting and false.

And now to use this analogy to describe how you are replying: let's say this burning pile of coals is in a public park. Random man comes and throws your kid into the pile, and you (the parent) sits and let's it happen, because that's the consequence of being thrown into a pile of coals. What you're doing is saying "Well why don't the other people in the park go and help the child burning in the coals? Why should the parent be responsible for the safety of his child? If everyone did their part, that child would have been rescued in no time." Do you see how your replies make absolutely no sense? You are saying a parent shouldn't be fully responsible (and do everything in their power) for the protection of their child. That's not how we act.




Starvation isn't a peaceful process that happens overnight. It can take months for someone food-deprived to die, and the days grow excruciatingly painful.



Because from the beginning your responses have not been on topic with my questions. I ask why God doesn't help and you answer with "Well why aren't YOU doing the best you can?" This is simply dodging my question, refer to the analogy above for more detail.

My analogy corrected yours to reflect the hand of God in our lives. It seems in your witch hunt you are intentionally over looking God's actual involvement with an opportunity to persecute God and his believers.. Let me know if and when you wish to discuss God biblically backed involvement in our lives.

 

[Question.Everything]

ad hominem witchcraft babbble

You asked me to spell out my analogy, I did, and you reply with more rabble about me being on a "witch hunt" to "persecute" God. You didn't even attempt to face the analogy with an open and honest mind. If you can do that, break down my analogy and tell me where it's flawed. Your first attempt had NOTHING to do with what the analogy was comparing.

 

[drich0150]

You asked me to spell out my analogy, I did, and you reply with more rabble about me being on a "witch hunt" to "persecute" God.

What makes your efforts a "witch hunt" is you ignored the discrepancies between your analogy and how the bible portrays God's role. You did this to persecute or hold us to account for God's perceived actions.

You didn't even attempt to face the analogy with an open and honest mind.

Because you did not present an "open and honest" analogy. you presented a scenario that made it easy for you to persecute the perceived actions of God. When I attempted to correct, you ignored the correction and followed up with more inflammatory remarks.

If you can do that, break down my analogy and tell me where it's flawed. Your first attempt had NOTHING to do with what the analogy was comparing.

Because what you compared is not a scriptural account of God's actions. I went through a lot to explain our purposes here, and God's expressed plans for our existence. None of which were included in your 'analogy.'

Am I Seriously expected engage every fallacy you bring into the conversation, Or are you here to Explore Christianity? If the latter then know you will be expected to drop 'analogies' that do not represent The God of the bible or a Christian world view.

 

[GrayAngel]

God didn't heal our nation though. Thousands of people died and we launched ourselves into pointless wars overseas (killing hundreds of thousands more). We went trillions of dollars into debt-hole that we're only digging ourselves deeper into now.

Your ignorance honestly depresses me, because I know there are a lot of people like you out there who feel the same way. Faith corrupts you from seeing reality for what it actually is. It's corrupted you so much in fact that you support the idea that 9/11 was a good thing. Horrifying.

After 9/11, our security was increased, and we started fighting the terrorist threat. While the method used to fight that threat may not be ideal, I would hardly consider it a "pointless war." As for the trillions of dollars of debt we're accumulating, I have one word for you: Obama. You really think we needed 9/11 to spend money we don't have?

Funny. I feel the same way about you, but it's your arrogance that bothers me more than your ignorance. Your blatant skepticism is corrupting your thinking, but there is nothing wrong with my faith. My faith is the greatest part of me.

When did I say that 9/11 was a good thing? Never. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said that there are positives to every tragedy. And yes, tragedy is the word I used.

And yeah, when you conveniently define healing as resurrecting every lost life, it's pretty easy to say that God didn't heal us.

 

[Question.Everything]

Am I Seriously expected engage every fallacy you bring into the conversation, Or are you here to Explore Christianity? If the latter then know you will be expected to drop 'analogies' that do not represent The God of the bible or a Christian world view.

I re-read your "debunking" of my analogy, and I'll still argue that nothing you brought up is relevant. I'll quote:

Whether we burn our children intentionally or if they accidentally fall into fire has nothing to do with the physics that have been put into place that allow for fire.

This has nothing to do with the "physics of fire". Whether we starve our children intentionally or if we have no food to give them has nothing to do with the biology that has been put into place that allows for starvation/death of cells. So far the analogy remains consistent.

god will not change the physics of fire just so foolish children or neglectful parents do not hurt themselves.

Just like God will not change the biology of human anatomy just so starving children or neglectful parents do not hurt themselves. I'm not asking why he doesn't change physics or biology.

The analogy really couldn't be more simple, I think the case here is that you are too afraid to face it which is triggering a defense mechanism that immediately reroutes the problem to me.

A random man throws your child into a fire (commits a sin which has consequences for innocent parties), you as a parent watch. Do you let your child burn in the fire or do you rush to grab him out and save him?

And again, I'm not pinning God to be a witch. You use the Bible as proof for many things, open it up and read all the stories where God directly and physically saves human lives. He obviously cares to do it sometimes and sees merit in it, where has he gone now? His actions are not consistent with our human nature, which violates another Biblical staple (that we are created in God's image).

 

[Question.Everything]

After 9/11, our security was increased, and we started fighting the terrorist threat. While the method used to fight that threat may not be ideal, I would hardly consider it a "pointless war."

Our security was increased only because we were attacked. And it only increased for a short period of time AND people still got weapons on planes after 9/11 AND the TSA is now just another way to sexually assault people at airports.

As for the trillions of dollars of debt we're accumulating, I have one word for you: Obama. You really think we needed 9/11 to spend money we don't have?

What a joke. This isn't about Obama (who if you care to know - I hate as a president) or his spending. It's about the spending on militarism that was caused and started with 9/11 (Bush).

Funny. I feel the same way about you, but it's your arrogance that bothers me more than your ignorance. Your blatant skepticism is corrupting your thinking, but there is nothing wrong with my faith. My faith is the greatest part of me.

Your faith leads you to say quite foolish things, like there were more positives than negatives from 9/11, and then responding with "Obama" in a discussion about 9/11 when he wasn't even president.

When did I say that 9/11 was a good thing? Never. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said that there are positives to every tragedy. And yes, tragedy is the word I used.

You said there were much more positives to come from it than negatives. When something is more positive than it is negative, it is a good (positive) thing.

And yeah, when you conveniently define healing as resurrecting every lost life, it's pretty easy to say that God didn't heal us.

Not sure where you're going with this, but all I'd have to say is can you prove anybody was resurrected?

 

[GA777]

About the 9/11 : So if God would judge those people much more merciful because they died before they were supposed to,would he have done more good or more bad?Any person would rather die in this case if this death could have got him to heaven after being supposed to go to hell or if he woulod get his punishments lessened or ranks highered.You keep blaming God,just like Job did because of ignorance about him,when you get to know God personally or be as intelligent as him,then you can judge him all you want.

 

[Question.Everything]

You keep blaming God

I've said it about 5 times in this thread that I am not blaming anybody. 9/11 isn't God's fault, it's ours. World hunger isn't God's fault, it's ours.

when you get to know God personally or be as intelligent as him,then you can judge him all you want.

This is like saying "You can't judge Johnny Cash unless you can sing as good as he can or know him personally."

I can judge whoever I want just like you can. I mean no hostility towards God (if he is there), but I would like answers. So far in this thread I haven't seen any answers that match up to what I'm asking. I get pinned for trying to blame God, and then that just gets reversed onto me.

 

[GA777]

No,there's a big difference.
Johnny is are human.
But God isnt.

A smart's man actions seem illogical in front of a fool.This is nothing but a mere comparison between us and god.He's much smarter than that,and we are much fooler than that compared to him.If the bible was written in the way we wanted for example,it would be clear that the bible wouldnt have been divine but made by humans,and that's why people think they found illogical things in the bible.God and humans will and way of thinking are two complete different things.Only Jesus can judge God precisely in the right way and no matter how hard you try ,you wont be able to understand anything of God except if the bible is your one and only reference for that.

 

[GrayAngel]

Our security was increased only because we were attacked. And it only increased for a short period of time AND people still got weapons on planes after 9/11 AND the TSA is now just another way to sexually assault people at airports.

I'm not sure I buy your assumption that the TSA is regularly sexually assaulting people. But I'm pretty sure that our security is still much higher than before. We've somehow been able to prevent any other 9/11 type attempts on our country.

What a joke. This isn't about Obama (who if you care to know - I hate as a president) or his spending. It's about the spending on militarism that was caused and started with 9/11 (Bush).

Interesting that you dislike Obama, but that's beside the point. Our government has always been good at finding ways to waste money. They definitely don't need the excuse of war to start throwing money in the air.

Your faith leads you to say quite foolish things, like there were more positives than negatives from 9/11, and then responding with "Obama" in a discussion about 9/11 when he wasn't even president.

The fact that Obama wasn't President at the time was part of the point. Our government wastes money no matter what's going on in the world. I will expect to see a snowflake in Hell before I see congress keep itself to a budget.

You're allowed to disagree with me all you like, but it's arrogant of your to call me foolish or insane because of our different viewpoints.

You said there were much more positives to come from it than negatives. When something is more positive than it is negative, it is a good (positive) thing.

If you want to speak statistically, only a very small portion of our population was killed. The hundreds of millions of us who didn't die are the ones who experienced the positives.

But everything lost or gained does not necessarily carry the same value. If I had to weigh the worth of a saved soul compared to the cost of a lost life, the saved soul would be of infinitely greater worth.

Before you start accusing me again, I'm not downplaying the worth of a human life. A tragedy is a tragedy. The difference between how I see things and the way you do is this: I believe that God is in charge, and I trust He knows what is best for us.

Not sure where you're going with this, but all I'd have to say is can you prove anybody was resurrected?

I'm saying that God did heal our nation. But what you would define as healing, which from what you've said so far seems to include:

1. Returning the lives that were lost and...

2. Fixing this government of ours, which was broken from the start.

 

[Question.Everything]

I'm not sure I buy your assumption that the TSA is regularly sexually assaulting people.

I'm making no assumptions. Google or Youtube "TSA sexual assault" and you'll find plenty of cases.

We've somehow been able to prevent any other 9/11 type attempts on our country.

How many other 9/11 attempts have there been since 9/11? How many were there before? Why were we never attacked like that prior to 9/11?

Our government has always been good at finding ways to waste money. They definitely don't need the excuse of war to start throwing money in the air.

Again, that doesn't matter and that's not the point at all. You don't shrug off trillions of dollars by saying "Eh, they spend money like fools anyway." 9/11 spawned trillions in debt that we wouldn't have if 9/11 never happened. Please don't be ignorant about it.

You're allowed to disagree with me all you like, but it's arrogant of your to call me foolish or insane because of our different viewpoints.

I'm sorry, but to me it truly is an insane thought that 9/11 brought upon more good than bad. I didn't mean to offend you but it honestly makes me mad that a person would say such a thing.

If you want to speak statistically, only a very small portion of our population was killed.

And what of their friends/family who have to deal with their death? And what of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers we then sent overseas and their family and friends? You're viewing this with a falsely narrow perspective. Millions were affected in a bad way by these attacks.

The hundreds of millions of us who didn't die are the ones who experienced the positives.

I experienced nothing positive from 9/11 and neither did any of my family or friends. We were all deeply saddened by it. "Hundreds of millions" is a bold claim, I'd like to see you back up that hundreds of millions of people were affected positively by 9/11.

If I had to weigh the worth of a saved soul compared to the cost of a lost life, the saved soul would be of infinitely greater worth.

How many souls were saved as a result of 9/11? Can you back your answer up? And did you know that converts to Islam spiked directly after 9/11? How many thousands of souls were lost to a false religion because of 9/11?

The difference between how I see things and the way you do is this: I believe that God is in charge, and I trust He knows what is best for us.

We can agree on that. When I take a deep down look at my human nature and the human nature of the compassionate friends, family, and board members here, it does not match up with God's nature. This is why I don't believe we were created in God's image, either that or the Christian God was falsely recorded.

I'm saying that God did heal our nation. But what you would define as healing, which from what you've said so far seems to include:

God didn't heal our nation. As I said, research has showed that converts to Islam spiked in the US following 9/11. And on top of that, based on my own personal experience 9/11 had no positive influences on the family and friends around me. Yes, people around the world were "brought together", but they were brought together to mourn and feel sadness.

It doesn't take something like 9/11 to appreciate the fact that we are alive.

 

[GA777]

How many souls were saved as a result of 9/11? Can you back your answer up? And did you know that converts to Islam spiked directly after 9/11? How many thousands of souls were lost to a false religion because of 9/11?

If any convert happened,it is because of lack of faith and would prove that it wasnt worthy from the beginning.

God's mercy is great and he is very just especially to the innocents and poor ones who lost their lives before they were supposed to,So of course he'd save many souls.And that's why I'm telling you that you cant judge God because you know nothing about him and how he does good through the evil etc. and know nothing about souls - eternal life, how god judges in the afterlife ... Just like Job who was attacking God all the time and who was blaming god for what happened to him ignoring the good God was going to bring him behind the trouble and pain caused.