Why does God choose to remain invisible and undetectable?

[ChristCameBackFromTheDead]

Dan Barker "sprouted around true people who really follow Christ." Yet after 19 years of doing "God's work" he became an atheist. People can and do deconvert and abandon religion altogether.



You are confusing refusing to listen with being unconvinced by what is said.



If you are happy to go along believing by faith, then fine. Just don't pretend that others are being unreasonable by not sharing your theological commitments.

Of course you can abandon "religion", but you will never abandon reality. Dan Barker's walk of faith has obviously been polluted with another reality opposite the goodness of God.

And no, I'm not confusing refusing to listen, you are literally refusing to listen to the truth of the world. Atheism is rampant in "civilized" cultures because they are comfortable and ignorant. They misplace truth with media and everything society tells you. It's interesting that "uncivilized" cultures who are truly in the "real world" are convinced it has a designer. People who live in nature, who understand that nature more than science ever will, because essentially they are a part of that nature. Similar to "human nature", one who takes active part in the community understands dissecting a human will never take into account their emotions, their consciousness. And neither does any scientist, the conscious and emotions of love are the biggest proofs that God exists but scientists are satisfied with not knowing that truth because it doesn't fit in their box of understanding.

I'm not "pretending" that others are being unreasonable. But the very moral foundation of human life and your beliefs of right and wrong indicate that their is a God. By atheistic views, we are all stardust. Where do we get morals? Are they defined by what society views as right and wrong? Where do we get that sense of justice? How does non life create life? Particles created by the big bang being joined together enacting survival of the fittest to ultimately create sentient thinking being? So from survival of the fittest we evolved into having compassion towards the weak? Knowing that it's wrong the oppress others? You have absolutely zero truth behind the theory of something coming from nothing. In fact, it goes against the scientific communities logic.

Every known great thinking mind has come to the conclusion that there has to be a grand intelligence at work when they trace our "origins" to the big bang. God is scientifically proven, now they are left with what that God is.

The big bang theory is scientifically debunked, as soon as they realized that everything had a source of creation, then once they got to the big bang theory they realized that the very essence of that theory defied every method of how we perceive things, so instead of calling it God, they call it "the great mystery".

I think you should stop thinking of the Christian God immediately when these findings require questions, instead you should research a bit deeper and realize what I'm saying is true. That science points directly to a creator and the very basis of your belief is being abandoned by the very ones who created it.

Once you establish that there has to be a creator, a grand design, then you can study religions of the world and then, if you are truly a truth seeker, will come to know and love Christ.

If something DID create us, why wouldn't He reveal Himself to us?

Instead of being so convicted with your beliefs, you should read what the scientific community says about the big bang and the contradicting philosophy behind it. So many scientists have said that we have come to the point in science where we have to start considering a God.

It's 2015, update your philosophy.

 

[bhsmte]

Of course you can abandon "religion", but you will never abandon reality. Dan Barker's walk of faith has obviously been polluted with another reality opposite the goodness of God.

On the contrary, some people are quite adept at abandoning reality when their personal psychological needs are powerful enough, to do so.

 

[ChristCameBackFromTheDead]

On the contrary, some people are quite adept at abandoning reality when their personal psychological needs are powerful enough, to do so.

You misunderstood what I said.

 

[bhsmte]

You misunderstood what I said.

Ok, maybe I did misunderstand you're point.

Do you agree then, that some people are quite skilled at abandoning well evidenced reality?

 

[ChristCameBackFromTheDead]

Ok, maybe I did misunderstand you're point.

Do you agree then, that some people are quite skilled at abandoning well evidenced reality?

Like refusing to believe in God? Sure.

 

[bhsmte]

Like refusing to believe in God? Sure.

Interesting example.

Any other examples you can think of, in regards to people choosing to deny "well evidenced realities"?

 

[ChristCameBackFromTheDead]

Interesting example.

Any other examples you can think of, in regards to people choosing to deny "well evidenced realities"?

I think you should read my posts on this thread instead of trying to nit pick and win over small, petty points instead of trying to grasp the big picture.

 

[bhsmte]

I think you should read my posts on this thread instead of trying to nit pick and win over small, petty points instead of trying to grasp the big picture.

I have read you're posts. They are filled with personal opinions and labels (ignorant) about those who disagree with you, but don't substantiate those personal opinions with any type of objective support.

Of course, you can certainly form personal opinions until the cows come home, but I wouldn't be shocked if others don't see things as you do, without an ability to substantiate your statements beyond you're own personal perceptions.

 

[ChristCameBackFromTheDead]

I have read you're posts. They are filled with personal opinions and labels (ignorant) about those who disagree with you, but don't substantiate those personal opinions with any type of objective support.

Of course, you can certainly form personal opinions until the cows come home, but I wouldn't be shocked if others don't see things as you do, without an ability to substantiate your statements beyond you're own personal perceptions.

Would you like a formal debate? I am quite versed on science and human philosophy. I can easily post findings and quotes from major scientists. Nothing I said was a personal opinion, not one single thing.

In fact, my entire post was pointing to the fact that science has came to a point of having to accept something before the big bang.

But instead of researching what I said, it is automatically opinion. Instead of educating yourself, you quickly brush off what I said as hearsay. Anyone who does that quickly exposes themselves as someone who could care less about where they came from.

 

[bhsmte]

Would you like a formal debate? I am quite versed on science and human philosophy. I can easily post findings and quotes from major scientists. Nothing I said was a personal opinion, not one single thing.

Not into formal debates, they are boring and petty.

In fact, my entire post was pointing to the fact that science has came to a point of having to accept something before the big bang.

Science has to accept something before the big bang? Can you support this with a scientific paper? What are they having to accept?

But instead of researching what I said, it is automatically opinion. Instead of educating yourself, you quickly brush off what I said as hearsay. Anyone who does that quickly exposes themselves as someone who could care less about where they came from.

"And no, I'm not confusing refusing to listen, you are literally refusing to listen to the truth of the world. Atheism is rampant in "civilized" cultures because they are comfortable and ignorant. They misplace truth with media and everything society tells you. It's interesting that "uncivilized" cultures who are truly in the "real world" are convinced it has a designer. People who live in nature, who understand that nature more than science ever will, because essentially they are a part of that nature. Similar to "human nature", one who takes active part in the community understands dissecting a human will never take into account their emotions, their consciousness. And neither does any scientist, the conscious and emotions of love are the biggest proofs that God exists but scientists are satisfied with not knowing that truth because it doesn't fit in their box of understanding."

Feel free to show me how the above rant is not you're personal opinion.

 

[ChristCameBackFromTheDead]

"And no, I'm not confusing refusing to listen, you are literally refusing to listen to the truth of the world. Atheism is rampant in "civilized" cultures because they are comfortable and ignorant. They misplace truth with media and everything society tells you. It's interesting that "uncivilized" cultures who are truly in the "real world" are convinced it has a designer. People who live in nature, who understand that nature more than science ever will, because essentially they are a part of that nature. Similar to "human nature", one who takes active part in the community understands dissecting a human will never take into account their emotions, their consciousness. And neither does any scientist, the conscious and emotions of love are the biggest proofs that God exists but scientists are satisfied with not knowing that truth because it doesn't fit in their box of understanding."

Feel free to show me how the above rant is not you're personal opinion.

You're not into formal debates. Conversation ended, I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to truly enact an intelligent debate. What it says to me is that instead of having the desire for truth your content with telling yourself how wise you are.

Google is a great tool, google big bang.

God Bless

 

[bhsmte]

You're not into formal debates. Conversation ended, I'm not going to argue with someone who refuses to truly enact an intelligent debate. What it says to me is that instead of having the desire for truth your content with telling yourself how wise you are.

Google is a great tool, google big bang.

God Bless

Correct, I am not into "formal" debates.

We are done then.

 

[Colter]

If the blind lead the seeing, they could still fall in the pit.

Notice how Jesus didn't go to the atheist center and argue with them? The circumstances of life need to be such that ego deflation occurs leading to a more receptive state of mind, a sincere desire to find God within. I know it did for me.

 

[Neogaia777]

Why does God choose to remain invisible and undetectable?

Invisible, yes, undetectable, No...

God is Holy, we are not, the full radiance of God' true form (Elohim, I believe),, is like a fire to sinners, and sinners get burned up and would die before him, without Jesus Christ...

Remember when Moses wanted to see God's glory, or his face, or his presence, I can't remember which?, But he had Moses hide in the cleft of the crag and God said he would pass him by, he did this to protect Moses from being killed.

God is invisible, but not undetectable, he reveals himself in detectable ways to whom he chooses.

God Bless!

 

[Standing_Ultraviolet]

Sunlight is invisible, but doing so much more than people and things that are visible. So, it is good how sunlight is not limited to what we can see and how we can do things and see things.

Sunlight is most definitely not invisible.

 

[Return to Skepticism]

Why does God choose to remain invisible and undetectable?

Invisible, yes, undetectable, No...

God is Holy, we are not, the full radiance of God' true form (Elohim, I believe),, is like a fire to sinners, and sinners get burned up and would die before him, without Jesus Christ...

Remember when Moses wanted to see God's glory, or his face, or his presence, I can't remember which?, But he had Moses hide in the cleft of the crag and God said he would pass him by, he did this to protect Moses from being killed.

God is invisible, but not undetectable, he reveals himself in detectable ways to whom he chooses.

God Bless!

"to whom he chooses" only denotes a capricious God.

 

[Neogaia777]

Sunlight is most definitely not invisible.

But what happens if one get's to close to the sun? (Burned up right) Or what happens if one stares into t sun directly without the protection of the atmosphere (go blind, right), same with God the Father without Jesus Christ.

God is a more powerful concentrated light source than a billion suns, remember there is no sun in Heaven, it says that God is it's light, and all is illuminated by him, and heaven is called the city of light...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

"to whom he chooses" only denotes a capricious God.

How so?

 

[Return to Skepticism]

How so?

An omnipotent deity would have the knowledge of what each individual required to believe.

If that deity doesn't bother, or hides it from individuals, either it does not desire the salvation of all, or is capricious.

 

[ChristCameBackFromTheDead]

An omnipotent deity would have the knowledge of what each individual required to believe.

If that deity doesn't bother, or hides it from individuals, either it does not desire the salvation of all, or is capricious.

Instead of making a God up in your head, then deciding that, that's what God should be, maybe you should think about what you're saying.

If you understood God then he wouldn't be God at all.