I don't think it's nonsense. We're often driven by emotions.
My problem with this is that 'the heart' is a notoriously unreliable guide.
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My heart guides me as well. I know you think that is nonsense but its not.
You follow what you been told as well. I wont be afraid on my death bed my friend. I will be happy. When my days come to end, my work will be done and so will Gods, and i will eagerly leave this temporary world and enter into the eternal life which is promised to us. Despite all that this world has thrown at me, i am so very happy, and the best is yet to come.
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This sounds like a great argument against the idea of heaven.Pain is a requirement of our human condition and so we are not sitting
on "Sleep Number" puffy clouds with no need to move a finger.
Under the proposed scenario we would be born in happiness onto our
soft pillows and stay for eternity with no hunger or pain, not moving a muscle.
No Pain? No reality.
I dont know exactly what a theist is, but if i understand correctly most Christians are not theists. As far as learning to find value in suffering goes, its not about looking for suffering, but instead finding value in suffering when it comes. Its apart of life and does have value, if you choose to look at it with faith. Everyone suffers and so its better to suffer with God rather than without him. Thats my personal understanding. With God all things can be a blessing. My depression for example, in my opinion, can either be a curse or a blessing, depending on how i choose to look at it. If i didnt see blessing in it then it would consume me, but because i see blessing in it it actually blesses me instead.
Why do you assume that God is doing nothing about suffering?
Why do you believe you deserve anything good from God?
It is not egomania. Egomania would be a sinful depraved human being demanding all of the glory who has no right to claim any glory. It is not egomania with God, because He is the only one deserving of all glory, honor and praise.
You also assume that you, the created, have the right or grounds on which to judge God, your Creator. You don't.
Ah, yeah. in my line of work I'm often around people who have come close to death. Valuing life more after a near miss is universal. The key is valuing it every day - which is precisely what I do. I only get THIS chance. This one picosecond in an eternity. That makes life infinitely more precious than a world in which we're eternal.
A diamond in a sea of diamonds is not precious. A single diamond in a desert is.
But they're not making a decision! They're simply desperately tying to find the comfort they thought would be there at the end, and it's not there. I have seen this sooo many times. It's part of the reason I don't think any more than a tiny proportion of theists actually believe.
Yes, death is a consequence of the sinfulness of man.
Every breath you take without being thankful or grateful to God is stealing from Him.
Why not find something more like a fellowship group? If you're young or youngish, there are plenty of Christian social groups who's focus is on activities and friendship, with a little casual worship thrown in.
If you can extract value out of your depression, that's a good thing. Doing so isn't restricted to believers though. My point is that you could do it with or without religion - and that too, is a good thing. It would be terrible if it was only possible via belief in a god.
Not in the same sense that you are judging Him
Why is there suffering in the world? I have been reading a lot of these threads and all of them make very good points. People believe that the cause of all suffering comes from God. That is impossible because He is inheritantly good.
Yea right. lol. Who would value depression unless they had faith?
I've met quite a few who moved on to a place where they feel the experience enriched their lives in some way. As mentioned, valuing experiences, positive OR negative, is pretty much universal. Whether you actually do so is determined by personality type and other prosaic factors. It has nothing to do with religion, though I'm sure religious people assume it has. Non religious people are also inclined to put it down to one thing or another, and they're not right either. It's a combination of personality, upbringing, life experiences, education, etc etc.
I wasted my life on drugs. Such a waste. Years and years just wasted for nothing. Thats not living, that's dying. I also have very difficult things i must live with, things most people wil never have to face. Without faith in the Lord, i dont see how i could be happy. He makes me happy. He fills that void in my heart. You can say that i can be happy without him, but i know different. I know the suffering i brought on myself was more than a person can endure alone. Thats the truth. I have seen people kill themselves over less than i must live with. Jesus Christ is my everything.
Faith is not the horrible meaningless thing you think it is. I'll bet the world is full of testimonies about Jesus Christ and How he saved them.
First up, you didn't waste your life - because you now benefit from those experiences. You have more appreciation for life in consequence, than you might otherwise have had. You might otherwise have been a person who lived their entire life without once stopping to smell the roses.
Secondly, and most importantly, you healed yourself. It doesn't matter what you call the muse - Jesus, love, Vishnu, your puppy, a beautiful woman/man, the ocean, a child - the end result is the same. YOU DID IT. For every undertaking we humans embark on, and in particular those requiring significant motivation, we find a muse - a spur. They can be anything at all, but never ever make the mistake of thinking they, the muse, did it. They are simply a source of motivation. We ourselves must first have the material to succeed, and you did. Please don't sell yourself short.
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