Why does God allow us to suffer?

[SkyWriting]

9 million children die each year before the age of five because of the fall of man?So holy, perfect and righteous?

This is not Heaven. That's why people die and go there.
They don't die and go here.
There are more people alive now, than have ever died.

 

[SteveB28]

Least religious countries
Percentage of respondents in each country claiming to be either not religious or atheist.

CZECH REPUBLIC
90%
CHINA
76%
SWEDEN
75%
CZECH REPUBLIC




I see no wonderful standard of living trends here.

Countries with large numbers of atheists

I note that you obviously know little about the current quality of life in the Czech Republic.
I also note that you appear to be oblivious of the fact that China's living standards are rising more quickly than any other nation.
I further note that you must be ignorant of life in Sweden to deem it as having "no wonderful standard of living".
And, lastly, I note that you conveniently stop your list there, before it becomes too embarrassing for your argument!

 

[SteveB28]

I am just asking if you have anything of any value to contribute or not?

I will leave it to others to assess any value my comments might contain.

If I may boast just a little, however, I do observe that better than 1 in 3 of my comments are appreciated enough by others here for them to kindly 'like' them.

How do your own fare, may I ask?

 

[SteveB28]

And research shows that metaphysical ideas are inherent and not taught .

Oh really? Then please explain why we find the various religions largely determined by nationality?

 

[Extraneous]

You may not see a greater comfort than that now, but I know from long experience that such comfort is non-existent when some believers or their loved one are about to meet their maker. It seems it's often only they confront the reality that it is, in fact, all ending. The worst possible time for 'god to desert them'.

The end of my own existence isn't music to my ears, either. But I dilute any potential shadows that may have over my today by living as much as I can, loving as much as a I can, and by treating every day as a gift. I will arrive at my end knowing I loved well and lived well. It won't make leaving fun, but I won't have the burden of a wasted life. I've been at the bedside of the 'I lived well' dying, and it's been a very different experience than that mentioned in my first para.

I have heard that many Atheists get faith in the end. ITs not a bad thing is it? Even if its not real, if it helps then its a good thing. I however know it is real.

 

[Extraneous]

My point was that everything you believe religiously is a result of what you have been told by some other humans.

That doesn't change its value. I say that i also have something in my heart that was given by God. You say that you have nothing in your heart that he gave you. No one can really prove that either of us are wrong except God himself.

 

[SteveB28]

I have heard that many Atheists get faith in the end. ITs not a bad thing is it? Even if its not real, if it helps then its a good thing. I however know it is real.

No, you are engaging in wishful thinking, yet again. I suggest you do your research and you will find that there are far more people who jettison their faith than the reverse.

More fantasy I'm afraid.

 

[Extraneous]

Oh really? Then please explain why we find the various religions largely determined by nationality?

GOd has always taught about us about our false GOds made of wood and stone, which are idol worship, and he commanded that he not ever be made into such an idol. I believe hes the only GOd that has ever done that. WE have the concept of the anti Christ as well, which is the spiritual enemy that apposes God.

 

[SteveB28]

That doesn't change its value. I say that i also have something in my heart that was given by God. You say that you have nothing in your heart that he gave you. No one can really prove that either of us are wrong except God himself.

And you have completely avoided the point. How naughty of you.

You charged me with believing "everything you have been told". The irony contained here is that it is YOU, maintaining a belief in the supernatural, who have completely developed that belief by believing what others have told you!

 

[Extraneous]

No, you are engaging in wishful thinking, yet again. I suggest you do your research and you will find that there are far more people who jettison their faith than the reverse.

More fantasy I'm afraid.

You dont understand faith or you would never make such an assertion. After all i been though, i would not abandon God when hes needed the most. Faith gets tested and purified.

 

[SteveB28]

GOd has always taught about us about our false GOds made of wood and stone, which are idol worship, and he commanded that he not ever be made into such an idol. I believe hes the only GOd that has ever done that. WE have the concept of the anti Christ as well, which is the spiritual enemy that apposes God.

More 'point-avoiding'. If religious beliefs are not simply passed on from one generation to the next, why do we find them regionally distributed?

 

[Extraneous]

And you have completely avoided the point. How naughty of you.

You charged me with believing "everything you have been told". The irony contained here is that it is YOU, maintaining a belief in the supernatural, who have completely developed that belief by believing what others have told you!

Thats not exactly how it happened. I never claimed that my faith didnt come from scripture. I was merely suggesting that your beliefs come from propaganda.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I will leave it to others to assess any value my comments might contain.

If I may boast just a little, however, I do observe that better than 1 in 3 of my comments are appreciated enough by others here for them to kindly 'like' them.

How do your own fare, may I ask?

Do you understand the difference between positive and negative. Perhaps you do not know the difference between building up and tearing down. Or maybe you only want to tear down, perhaps you feel that is your mission in life. In general if people only tear down and destroy, they never build anything then there will be nothing left. Everything will be destroyed. Is that the sort of world you want to live in?

 

[SteveB28]

You dont understand faith or you would never make such an assertion. After all i been though, i would not abandon God when hes needed the most. Faith gets tested and purified.

I don't have to understand faith - I just have to be able to count!

More people 'switch' from being religious to atheism than the reverse.

Do your research.

 

[Extraneous]

More 'point-avoiding'. If religious beliefs are not simply passed on from one generation to the next, why do we find them regionally distributed?

I never claimed they were not regionally distributed.

 

[SteveB28]

Do you understand the difference between positive and negative. Perhaps you do not know the difference between building up and tearing down. Or maybe you only want to tear down, perhaps you feel that is your mission in life. In general if people only tear down and destroy, they never build anything then there will be nothing left. Everything will be destroyed. Is that the sort of world you want to live in?

You asked about the value of my contributions. I indicated that others here seem to appreciate them.

What gibberish are you trotting out now?

 

[Extraneous]

I don't have to understand faith - I just have to be able to count!

More people 'switch' from being religious to atheism than the reverse.

Do your research.

Thats what your book of propaganda tells you. How would know that anyway? DO they take a poll at the death bed?

 

[quatona]

You act like death is something bad. We will all die, and that's a fact. If God promises eternity to us, what is this short life but a second in time anyway?

Why do you think your God forbids killing in his commandments?

They were born and that's a good thing. God created them and without God they would not exist. Perhaps they are the lucky ones, after all you keep saying what a terrible place this world is and how cruel life is. How do you know that they are not the lucky ones? Their suffering is over and now they have eternal life and rest from there troubles. We however will still endure our struggles for a little longer, and we will still die, just like them.

Are you trying to make a cause for mandatory abortion?
I´m not quite sure I understand believers´ view on the value of life - alternating between "(earthly) life is sacred" and "earthly life is best finished early".

 

[SteveB28]

I never claimed they were not regionally distributed.

And nor was my comment originally directed towards you. You butted in.

 

[SteveB28]

Thats what your book of propaganda tells you anyway. How would know that anyway? DO they take a poll at the death bed?

Do you!?

The best we can do to answer that question is to look at the rates of conversion/deconversion.

Those numbers are very clear.