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I thought that the thing about angels was that they lacked free will? Why didn’t God just destroy him there and then?He created himself as evil by his own will, his own decision to reject YHWH's definitions of reality for his own definition which led him to rebuke YHWH as a liar and therefore a false god driven by an evil megalomania, the sin he could never return from nor repent of choosing.
So for all we know it could be awful but just have good press?I do not have enough information to provide a definition. Bible describes it in images and natural philosophy does not have much to say about life in higher dimensions.
Not really. He was in complete control of all the events and would never have suffers so much that he would have ceased to exist.It is a privilege to suffer as He suffered, because we know that He suffered more.
No. For all we know it will be much better than this planet, but specifics are not describable in our language.So for all we know it could be awful but just have good press?
So you could say that Heaven can only exist and function if the suffering is siloed in Hell?No.
I am saying that the creation as a whole had to have some suffering to be the best one. It does not mean that every part of this creation must have suffering.
Like some picture must contain black color to look best, but it does not mean that the black color must be in all parts of the picture. Heavens being one of the parts that can be without suffering.
So far, we know only about our planet to have some amount of suffering, in the whole vast physical universe. Its less than a dot.
Not sure what you mean by hell, in this context. Hádés? Seol? The lake of fire?So you could say that Heaven can only exist and function if the suffering is siloed in Hell?
If they were born perfect why would they need salvation.ImCo, when GOD created everyone in HIS image with a free will, it was possible that everyone created would choose to accept HIS proclamation of HIS deity and as the only salvation from sin,
Hell as in where all the sinners, dogs and wizards go: the lake of fire. Eternal torment set up by God to punish people he deems sinners.Not sure what you mean by hell, in this context.
In any case, I do not know if there is a direct connection between the existence of those two.
I personally do not believe in literal eternal torment, I think its imagery (as dogs are). So I cannot answer.Hell as in where all the sinners, dogs and wizards go: the lake of fire. Eternal torment set up by God to punish people he deems sinners.
Not really. He was in complete control of all the events and would never have suffers so much that he would have ceased to exist.
Dying isn’t that impressive when it has no lasting effects.
I guess the point was that Jesus, being God and coming from heaven, knew much more about the afterlife and the future than an average Joe, so His fear of physical death was lesser.He did die. And was resurrected 3 days later. This is the good news!
I’ve never understood why that is ‘the good news’.He did die. And was resurrected 3 days later. This is the good news!
You guys haven't really taken the track, that the OP intended: the point is that there is something we can do about suffering.
Humbling yourself, that you suffer less, is the will of God.
And God has the same choice, if what He is creating causes Him to suffer, He can not be "God".
I guess the point was that Jesus, being God and coming from heaven, knew much more about the afterlife and the future than an average Joe, so His fear of physical death was lesser.
On the other hand, we can say the opposite, that it was bigger. We cannot really judge what God felt before His physical and psychological torture by His own creation and before death, in which the sins of the world were put on Him. It was quite a unique experience.
The sweat of blood during praying in Gethsemane supports the latter.
Because you never opened your heart, and sincerely asked in humility to know Him.I only found confirmation of my own beliefs.
Technically speaking, the good news is the message that the kingdom of God has come (to Earth). The resurrection of Christ is very important part of this coming, thats why it sometimes gets conjugated.I’ve never understood why that is ‘the good news’.
Immortal, omnipotent deity kills self then then resurrects self.
What exactly is the good news?
Hi Harp.Because you never opened your heart, and sincerely asked in humility to know Him.
I’ve never understood that. Wasn’t the Kingdom of God always there? What’s the significance?Technically speaking, the good news is the message that the kingdom of God has come (to Earth).
Revelations 21:4 describes Heaven as a place with no more suffering. Do you disagree with what the Bible says about Heaven?Because they are different "places", different states of being, with different purposes. Also, I do not know much about heaven to claim what it has or has not. Bible says that angels in heaven rebelled, so they are not all just dancing and singing or whatever some naive idea of it may be.
Then why did you make the claim if you do not know?I do not know. I would need to see and compare all possible universes with all their eternity to each other to know .
There was only Israel, with symbolism, temple, perpetual sacrifices...It was a physical preparation for the coming of Christ and for His kingdom.I’ve never understood that. Wasn’t the Kingdom of God always there? What’s the significance?
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