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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.

I think to expose it for what it is.
The tree in the garden was called "Knowledge of Good and Evil"
I think it is allowed so that when it is condemned
Everyone can say
"Amen"
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Yes.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this
Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
” Genesis 2:16-17 NKJV​
 
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Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat,
for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
” Genesis 2:16-17 NKJV​
When Adam and Eve eat of the tree of knowledge that let evil in to the world
 
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can you explain further?

In Romans, 7

13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Certainly not! But in order that sin might be exposed as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. 17In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.21So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.b24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Sin is a progressive thing; it's root is rebellion against God
Adam had to rebel in order to eat of the fruit
In doing so he gained knowledge, but unfortunately that knowledge
Was that Sin was a one-way street
And he had turned off in the direction away from Home
The source of all Goodness

Why does God allow evil in the world?
Let me turn the question on it's head:
Why don't we allow more God in the world?
He has been knocking on many doors
For a long time now

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in and dine with him, and he with Me.
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this

God Bless

Evil is permitted for two reasons.
We can see the difference between good and evil, not just head knowledge.
Because we are able to choose, if God did not permit evil to exist we would not be able to choose.

As you study the bible, as you read through the bible regularly you start to see how God has dealt with nations etc.
Isreal was used to bring judgement on the people living in cannan, but only when in Gods timing that judgement was due.

You see it in the sending of Jesus, He was sent when the time was right.
Gods judgement upon evil will be when he desides, when his time is right.
 
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In Romans, 7

13Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Certainly not! But in order that sin might be exposed as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. 17In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.21So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.b24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

can you explain what this mean?
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this

God Bless
The only way God could eliminate all evil is to take away the free will of all men. We are dealing with a sinful fallen world. This is not to say that what is intended to be evil cannot be used by God to result in something good.
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this

God Bless

Chapter 29: The Origin of Evil
It is impossible to explain the origin of sin so as to give a reason for its existence. Yet enough may be understood concerning both the origin and the final disposition of sin to make fully manifest the justice and benevolence of God in all His dealings with evil. Nothing is more plainly taught in [493] Scripture than that God was in no wise responsible for the entrance of sin; that there was no arbitrary withdrawal of divine grace, no deficiency in the divine government, that gave occasion for the uprising of rebellion. Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given. It is mysterious, unaccountable; to excuse it is to defend it. Could excuse for it be found, or cause be shown for its existence, it would cease to be sin. Our only definition of sin is that given in the word of God; it is "the transgression of the law;" it is the outworking of a principle at war with the great law of love which is the foundation of the divine government.

The Great Controversy, by Ellen G. White. Chapter 29: The Origin of Evil
 
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can you explain what this mean?

I think I updated my previous post a bit to add a few things while you were posting this which might be helpful. But in addition, on the progressive nature of sin, I like James

13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. 14But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. 15Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

I think this is why it is difficult to talk to some people about sin or evil; they don't see the end of it yet, it isn't full grown. Maybe they see it in others, but not themselves. And sin is nothing if not self-justifying. I knew a woman once, when she was young her father attacked her. When he was done, he said "Where is your God now?"

I prayed about that question long and hard.
Because, at the time the father was a monster
And the girl suffered a lot
It was the most brutal story I've ever heard
And the answer to the question that I got in the end was very simple:

"Not in her father"

If He had been in her father
She would have been safe

I think that is "knowledge of Good and Evil"
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world
Because evil is necessary for some greater good.

For example, you cant have bravery without danger.

and why is there evil.
Because everything that is created is limited and therefore not perfect.

For example, its impossible for you to know everything and therefore you will make many wrong decisions.
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this

God Bless
God seeks fellowship.
Our cats and dogs and birds in cages are companions and are not evil.

So God desires companions that are not like cats, dogs, birds,or lizards kept in pens and cages.
God prefers fellowship with others that have the freedom to stay voluntarily.

So if you desire this freedom to have a voluntary fellowship, then you have to give options.

God does not wish for people to turn away from Him, but freedom results in the choice to reject God.

And that's what we call evil.
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this

God Bless
So this subject you raise is called "theodicy".

God has infinite foresight and insight. So we ask, did He create every possible name of angel or did He miss some? And the angels are vast in number, so there is no word to describe it. Not a billion octillion for example.

God I suppose foreknew, that in creating free willing servants, children and eunuchs, that some would invent evil. That free will is outside of God's power an sometimes is solely ours. Lucifer which means light bearer knew God intimately well. He was filled with light. He was described as the anointed cherub, a worship leader, perfect in beauty... He came to love God in the wrong way. Lucifer became proud of his appearance over Godliness. In his mind, God could be divided into His person from His power. Infinite power that Lucifer wanted, without the person. Lucifer made the I will statements. he wanted independence from God and the power of God and the angels' worship....

In doing this Lucifer who had been a liar, in soft ways became an adulterer and murderer. He invented the curse. God's nature became despised by him, light, truth, love... And God's honour or majesty was what he wanted. The Kingdom, the power and the glory. Lucifer became Satan, and he still wants those things. Divorcing God from His power and killing God's person. Making God lie, break promises, making Him a slave and completely mindless. Less than a quisling.

A third of the holy angels became angels of death. However they could not overpower God.

Satan was not made so great that he overpower God. There is a contradiction there of God being all powerful to create and to be indestructible.

God seemed to make the angels first and so that the fall from love and light would be finite but complete. Never to be added to later. No further loss of angels, there are none. No new angels, no falling angels.

God allowed Satan to inhabit the Garden with Adam and Eve, ideally meaning they would gain a nature from resisting Satan and turning to God each day, and then pass it on to successive generations, instead of a sin nature, of law breaking. They had one law to keep. Don't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We'd have perfect blood, order and wisdom today if all went well.

So God allowed evil in this world.

The tree of life was taken away, so people would not become immortal, ever worsening sinners. It is mentioned again in Revelation, and so it must be literal. We must not take away from this book.

Evil gained a place at the head of our race through Adam's failure. Jesus broke the power and will finally remove it's working in our midst at the second coming. Until then we earn rewards by when necessary suffering for Christ Gospel.

When we gain salvation in full, in the next life, because of Satan's complete knowledge and evil having fulling known glory, we will have a superb nature, of light and love and free will, knowing good from evil, and yet not at all be tempted or falling. We'll have eternal life.

I feel sure Lucifer had to be brave to approach God in the beginning, to gain intense light, as did Michael and Gabriel... but now we have to be brave to face evil. And suffer outside the Garden of pleasure in a barren aggressive world.

Evil today is the result of deception and free will. It seems if you can really to the core deceive someone, you can make them do anything.

God is a kind natured being, and will not force or rape a free will. I am not sure about how Jesus defeated Satan before His resurrection. I think Jesus forced Lordship on him. So God allows evil, as we all come under the preaching of the Gospel for salvation before we die and are judged.

God is showing us grace and not judgement. Not fair rule. And we inherit Jesus' sacred blood instead of tainted Adamic blood.
 
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So this subject you raise is called "theodicy".God has infinite foresight and insight. So we ask, did He create every possible name of angel or did He miss some? And the angels are vast in number, so there is no word to describe it. Not a billion octillion for example.God I suppose foreknew, that in creating free willing servants, children and eunuchs, that some would invent evil. That free will is outside of God's power and sometimes is solely ours.

Not really. But it does seem like it.
 
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So this subject you raise is called "theodicy".

God has infinite foresight and insight. So we ask, did He create every possible name of angel or did He miss some? And the angels are vast in number, so there is no word to describe it. Not a billion octillion for example.

God I suppose foreknew, that in creating free willing servants, children and eunuchs, that some would invent evil. That free will is outside of God's power an sometimes is solely ours. Lucifer which means light bearer knew God intimately well. He was filled with light. He was described as the anointed cherub, a worship leader, perfect in beauty... He came to love God in the wrong way. Lucifer became proud of his appearance over Godliness. In his mind, God could be divided into His person from His power. Infinite power that Lucifer wanted, without the person. Lucifer made the I will statements. he wanted independence from God and the power of God and the angels' worship....

In doing this Lucifer who had been a liar, in soft ways became an adulterer and murderer. He invented the curse. God's nature became despised by him, light, truth, love... And God's honour or majesty was what he wanted. The Kingdom, the power and the glory. Lucifer became Satan, and he still wants those things. Divorcing God from His power and killing God's person. Making God lie, break promises, making Him a slave and completely mindless. Less than a quisling.

A third of the holy angels became angels of death. However they could not overpower God.

Satan was not made so great that he overpower God. There is a contradiction there of God being all powerful to create and to be indestructible.

God seemed to make the angels first and so that the fall from love and light would be finite but complete. Never to be added to later. No further loss of angels, there are none. No new angels, no falling angels.

God allowed Satan to inhabit the Garden with Adam and Eve, ideally meaning they would gain a nature from resisting Satan and turning to God each day, and then pass it on to successive generations, instead of a sin nature, of law breaking. They had one law to keep. Don't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We'd have perfect blood, order and wisdom today if all went well.

So God allowed evil in this world.

The tree of life was taken away, so people would not become immortal, ever worsening sinners. It is mentioned again in Revelation, and so it must be literal. We must not take away from this book.

Evil gained a place at the head of our race through Adam's failure. Jesus broke the power and will finally remove it's working in our midst at the second coming. Until then we earn rewards by when necessary suffering for Christ Gospel.

When we gain salvation in full, in the next life, because of Satan's complete knowledge and evil having fulling known glory, we will have a superb nature, of light and love and free will, knowing good from evil, and yet not at all be tempted or falling. We'll have eternal life.

I feel sure Lucifer had to be brave to approach God in the beginning, to gain intense light, as did Michael and Gabriel... but now we have to be brave to face evil. And suffer outside the Garden of pleasure in a barren aggressive world.

Evil today is the result of deception and free will. It seems if you can really to the core deceive someone, you can make them do anything.

God is a kind natured being, and will not force or rape a free will. I am not sure about how Jesus defeated Satan before His resurrection. I think Jesus forced Lordship on him. So God allows evil, as we all come under the preaching of the Gospel for salvation before we die and are judged.

God is showing us grace and not judgement. Not fair rule. And we inherit Jesus' sacred blood instead of tainted Adamic blood.

Your answer is tainted with Adamic self-importance, self-centeredness. One of the first things immediately evident in Theodicy is the strangeness of the fact that we should find a need to vindicate God. That we do, is evidence of the fact that we have a faulty view of things.

We have plenty of logical reasons, even apart from Scripture, to believe that God is both good and omnipotent. Freewill is not one of them. The answer(s) is(are) found in the fact that God is the center, both original cause and continued actor, of this whole 'story', and that he has (and is) done(doing) this for his own sake. We fall short in our comprehension of both 'omnipotence' and 'good', not to mention that we are lacking in our esteem of God.

Like perhaps everything else we see and feel in this temporal existence, a full understanding of the real thing awaits us in Heaven. We presently think we understand 'suffering', but we have no idea what God has undertaken and suffered for his own sake, and so for ours. It is immense on a scale with the immensity of God himself.
 
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Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this

God Bless

ImCo:
we see that the bible ends with the marriage of the Lamb to His Bride. This is easily accepted as implying that the heavenly marriage was HIS purpose for our creation, the full holy communion of loving fellowship which is the base for our earthly marriage.

Since no real marriage nor a true love can be forced upon anyone but must be entered by the free will acceptance of the marriage proposal by the Bride, everyone created to be His bride had to have a free will and equal ability and opportunity to choose to accept HIS marriage proposal or to reject it, ie, to reject Him as a suitable partner. It seems inevitable that this is the reason for the separation of all of creation into the two groups, the sheep and the goats, those who enter into marriage with HIM and those who rejected HM being passed over for marriage and banished to the outer darkness as unfit to be HIS bride.

Since a true free will can not be forced to choose any option nor can be constrained from choosing any available option, both true faith and complete rejection of HIM in the unforgivable sin had to be available to everyone.

Thus a free will ability to choose evil had to be an option in our creation and some fell to the temptation to reject HIM, the Satanic fall, and so evil spread.
 
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When Adam and Eve eat of the tree of knowledge that let evil in to the world

ImCo, eating is a biblical metaphor for experiencing something fully... it's a great word study.

To know what the command meant, they had to know what good and bad were implying they already had the mental awareness of the meaning of moral good and evil. What the command made clear is that GOD did not want them to know by experience the meaning of good and bad, but to trust in HIM and avoid the experience of breaking any command.
 
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Hi @Birck DK

Hallo

Why does God allow evil in this world and why is there evil.
Is this because this is a fallen world.
Is they Bibel versus that explain this

God Bless

This question comes up from time to time here on CF. The simplest answer is what Peter has told us about God's attitude in these days. He is being patient. Not desiring that anyone should be lost.

Bottom line, if God had stepped out at some time in the past to rid the world of sin, then we'd be living through the flood over and over and over and over again and no flesh would be saved. Sadly, most people who ask that question are always considering the mass murderer or the child molester who has destroyed some young child's life. The Idi Amin's, Muhammar Quadaffi's and Adolph Hitler's of the world. What they don't seem to realize is that God, when He cleanses the earth, isn't going to stop with just 'those' people. You and I and likely everyone else on the planet would be destroyed. Just as He did in the flood of Noah's day.

News Flash!!!!!!! We're all sinners!!!!!!!

If God were to stand up from His throne and stop evil, before His appointed time, there would no flesh be saved.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

So, I would just caution anyone who says, "God come and rid the world of sin and evil!!" That they make sure all of their loved ones and others that they care about have trusted in Jesus before He does. The fact is that God is going to take evil and wickedness out of this world. However, He is going to do it at His appointed time and we should realize that it is for our benefit that He hasn't done it yet.

God bless,
Ted
 
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