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DAD IS ALL POWERFUL! What do you mean he "Can't control your will"? He can't not do anything! He is all powerful. (Assuming He was real)
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DAD IS ALL POWERFUL! What do you mean he "Can't control your will"? He can't not do anything! He is all powerful. (Assuming He was real)yes - but dad cant control your will
Well, I go with thoeries that have scientific evidence you can actually see. Saying your god is "love", is like us saying, "Natural selection is everywhere, natrual selection is love". Good and bad are just things of chance. Sometimes good things happen, other times misrable things happen. No god decides if it does or not.evil exists in this world, because we have created it. it is an unfortunate side effect of having creativity and free will. people can try to argue the point that there is or isn't a god,but what it all boils down to is that it's moot argument. it will always end in "Prove it" and then followed up by a "well this ancient book says it's true"
Well, I have to go for now, see you all tommowow!Well, I go with thoeries that have scientific evidence you can actually see. Saying your god is "love", is like us saying, "Natural selection is everywhere, natrual selection is love". Good and bad are just things of chance. Sometimes good things happen, other times misrable things happen. No god decides if it does or not.
Assuming your god actually did exist however, he manages to create a heaven, where no babies are brutelly murdered and burned, no poverty, no natural disasters and killers, no etc. Why does he bother to create a world thats so messed up, yet he also makes one automatically perfect. Those people in Heaven can;t sin, are they "robots"? Are the not creative? They look pretty happy to me too. Assuming it all existed.
And I say:God has given us the choice to be evil.... or to love, thats what im trying to say.
And I say:
1. I don´t care for this "freedom", I haven´t asked for it.
2. An allegedly omnipotent omniscient creator god sure could have created us without this dualism.
3. And, according to Christian theology, he indeed has: Heaven.
4. Let alone that, prior to creation, god was pure goodness and love, without an evil antagonist.
So the "love/good can´t exist without evil" excuse is not exactly credible, coming from a Christian.
I don´t recall you telling me that even only once.<sigh> For the millionth time, the point is that the possibility of evil has existed along with the existence of God all along.
Well, ok, then evil doesn´t exist in this world.You keep saying that it is possible for God to have created a world without evil. He did just that!
I have no problem with the possibility of evil. I have a problem with its factual existence. I guess god could have easily created beings that can conceive of evil but not do it. Like in heaven. Like himself.However, creation, Heaven, angels, and everything EVER made was made with the possibility of evil. It is an obvious law that good cannot exist without at the very least the possibility of evil.
Yes, sure. That´s what I have explicitly stated even (a million timesIt was an exercise of free will when Lucifer rebelled. It was an exercise of free will when man fell. Free will then, IS that possibility of evil. You are asking for a world without free will, not a world without evil.
Then the question is: Why did god create Old World in a way that allowed evil to enter?Heaven and the New Earth will not allow evil to enter, but evil will still exist.
Then the question is: Why did god create Old World in a way that allowed evil to enter?
You did not ask to be born either. It comes with being born a human. You don't have to ask for it.=quatona;32764532]And I say:
1. I don´t care for this "freedom", I haven´t asked for it.
Not if He wanted us to be able to love Him.2. An allegedly omnipotent omniscient creator god sure could have created us without this dualism.
I don't think our free will ends in heaven.3. And, according to Christian theology, he indeed has: Heaven.
The potential for evil is all that is required. When God was the only thing in existence, He did not do evil so there was no evil. When we come into existence, we do evil so evil exists.4. Let alone that, prior to creation, god was pure goodness and love, without an evil antagonist.
So the "love/good can´t exist without evil" excuse is not exactly credible, coming from a Christian.
Just saying that again.One more thing I forgot to menion is, we all have to understand that this world is surely fudged up, and all we humans need to understand, that we need to fix it ourselves. Sitting on your knees talking to youself hoping some invisible man will come down and save us does not work. Obviously it does not work. We all need to realize only humans can fix this world into shape, and talking to youself at night on your knees does not fix anything, it does not send police into a genocide area, it does not put out the fire burning babies in Darfur, it does NOTHING. This is the sad reality folks. I wish as much as you all do, it was not, but I also wish there was a billion dollars buried in my backyard. We need to physically get off of our knees, stop talking to ourselves at night thinking we're talking to our imiginary magical freind who does nothing to help us, and clean up this troubled world ourselves.
Good night, and see you all tommowow, have a great day.
On the last thing you said, well, God sends millions of his own children to hell each day. He punshed Adam for simply not listening. Yet, God is all knowing, shouldn't he have known Adam would not listen to God?You did not ask to be born either. It comes with being born a human. You don't have to ask for it.
Not if He wanted us to be able to love Him.
I don't think our free will ends in heaven.
The potential for evil is all that is required. When God was the only thing in existence, He did not do evil so there was no evil. When we come into existence, we do evil so evil exists.
Dude, kid, it's the sad reality. It's science, science and logic proove there is no god. (PT me if you want to "save" me, try your best heh heh heh)
Dude, I know your trying to help but,Evil exists because adam and eve sinned in the guarden of eden.
Why God allows evil to exist is because he loves us. He gave us freewill because he loves us. And with freewill comes choices. The result of that decision can make us closer to God (grace) or lead us farther away(sin). And when we get so far away from God we make horrible (evil) choices.
If God got rid of all evil in the world only two being would have existed. Mary and Jesus. Because they lived life without sin.Also, if he got rid of all evil in the world he would have to go rid of freewhill.
I hope I helped a little.
On the last thing you said, well, God sends millions of his own children to hell each day. He punshed Adam for simply not listening. Yet, God is all knowing, shouldn't he have known Adam would not listen to God?
How does science and logic prove there is no God? Most scientist including the atheists scientists would say that is an incorrect statment.Dude, kid, it's the sad reality. It's science, science and logic proove there is no god. (PT me if you want to "save" me, try your best heh heh heh)
We did not reject him dear, there is no evidence for him. Please PT me I hate people that don't understand atheists.
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