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Why does everyone hate Jesus?

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IDK, I have been dealing for quite some time with secular people, trying to put my beliefs into their terms, but I give up.

Ultimately, what I find is a lot of hate.

I do not think anyone can argue with being more forgiving, more loving, more less condemning... but it does not matter. Because people believe what they want to believe.
 

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I have been down the hate Jesus road and I have friends who dislike the Christian religion.

To make a long story short:

It's because of how His follower portray themselves.

Look at Westboro, for example, "God hates f*gs" or "God hates soldiers." etc, people see this and they think, "If that's the case, then God is hateful and so, I hate him, and all Christians."

It all boils down to how we portray ourselves, in all honesty. Christians come off as "holier than thou" to outsiders because we close our doors to people who don't fit the "Christian criteria". Druggies, people like me (LGBTQ), murderers, etc are kicked to the curb, that's what I have witnessed. If we show that we're more accepting, more loving like our Christ was when He was still alive and how He still is, people would be more willing to know the Lord.

As Ghandi once said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
 
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Please please please don't give up.

People judge because they don't understand. And half of them can't be bothered to find out.

Also it's the image of Christians. So people are too overbearing, too in-your-face and also judge. It's wrong and it's only a stereotype but that's what peope see.

The way I try and act is in a Christian way, showing my values through how I live my life. If an opportunity comes that I can share my faith in a positive context, speak out.
I pray so often to know when to keep quiet and when to speak.


Keep persevering, if you bring just one person to Christ it will be worth it. You never know what will be remembered years later :)
 
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Why does everyone hate Jesus?

And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What does thou here, Elijah?
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
..... And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What does thou here, Elijah?
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
And the LORD said unto him....
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which has not kissed him.
<-----> 1st Kings 19:9,10,13,14,15+18

At times, we like the prophet Elijah may feel like we're the only one left who is truly "very jealous for The Lord"...but rest assured there are many others out there !

May The Lord Be Magnified in and through us !

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Some people find the world and life to be an unfair, unjust place to live ... and all that disappointment, and need to blame, or project their pain onto someone, or something ... something to suffer as they suffer, and to understand the pain they understand, a need to see justice performed ... a need to see someone who claims to love you, suffer for you ... to balance those scales in your own mind and heart ...

I thought that was part of the reason Jesus was supposed to let humans crucify him.
 
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A lot of people hate imposition of will. I know you may not be doing this intentionally but a lot of the times religion enters a conversation and you have religious faith, the person you are speaking with immediately feels like you are trying to push an agenda down their throat.

Teach the bible and Jesus through your actions because everyone hates words.
 
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IDK, I have been dealing for quite some time with secular people, trying to put my beliefs into their terms, but I give up.

Ultimately, what I find is a lot of hate.

I do not think anyone can argue with being more forgiving, more loving, more less condemning... but it does not matter. Because people believe what they want to believe.

Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
Joh 3:21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God."
 
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I have been down the hate Jesus road and I have friends who dislike the Christian religion.

To make a long story short:

It's because of how His follower portray themselves.

And just WHO are Jesus' followers? Jesus has said "why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say" and it is written that Jesus is the author of salvation for all who OBEY Him. Matthew 7 is directed towards those who profess to be His followers and He says He NEVER EVEN KNEW THEM. I think you are grouping in as Christian anyone who even professes to be Christian and not going by what the Bible says about who is Christian.


Look at Westboro, for example, "God hates f*gs" or "God hates soldiers." etc, people see this and they think, "If that's the case, then God is hateful and so, I hate him, and all Christians."

And this confirms what I think. In what way are the Westboro Baptists being imitators of Jesus Christ with their hate filled actions?

It all boils down to how we portray ourselves, in all honesty. Christians come off as "holier than thou" to outsiders because we close our doors to people who don't fit the "Christian criteria". Druggies, people like me (LGBTQ), murderers, etc are kicked to the curb, that's what I have witnessed. If we show that we're more accepting, more loving like our Christ was when He was still alive and how He still is, people would be more willing to know the Lord.

More accepting of what? SIN or accepting that people are sinners and are in need of a Savior who can free them from the bondage of sin? Jesus HATED sin and constantly preached against it. The Christian is not 'holier than thou' because we know full well that OUR righteousness is as filthy rags to the Lord. Indeed the true Christian has come to grips that they are a sinner utterly incapable of pleasing the Lord by what we can do and willing to deny ourselves (and our sin nature) and yield ourselves to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Sorry but 'people' largely reject Jesus and His offer of salvation because they don't want to believe that what they do is sinful and they don't want to give up their sin because they enjoy it too much.

As Ghandi once said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

The Matthew 7 'Lord, Lord' crowd is unlike Christ but then they don't obey Him and He doesn't know them so once again we go back to the error of grouping in people who profess Christ but are not Christian with those who are submitted to Jesus.
 
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Some people find the world and life to be an unfair, unjust place to live ... and all that disappointment, and need to blame, or project their pain onto someone, or something ... something to suffer as they suffer, and to understand the pain they understand, a need to see justice performed ... a need to see someone who claims to love you, suffer for you ... to balance those scales in your own mind and heart ...

I thought that was part of the reason Jesus was supposed to let humans crucify him.

day time,

Jesus did not die to balance the scale for our sufferings. We are not victims. He died to pay the penalty for our sins so that by Gods grace through faith in Him, we might be saved.
 
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And just WHO are Jesus' followers? Jesus has said "why call ye me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say" and it is written that Jesus is the author of salvation for all who OBEY Him. Matthew 7 is directed towards those who profess to be His followers and He says He NEVER EVEN KNEW THEM. I think you are grouping in as Christian anyone who even professes to be Christian and not going by what the Bible says about who is Christian.




And this confirms what I think. In what way are the Westboro Baptists being imitators of Jesus Christ with their hate filled actions?



More accepting of what? SIN or accepting that people are sinners and are in need of a Savior who can free them from the bondage of sin? Jesus HATED sin and constantly preached against it. The Christian is not 'holier than thou' because we know full well that OUR righteousness is as filthy rags to the Lord. Indeed the true Christian has come to grips that they are a sinner utterly incapable of pleasing the Lord by what we can do and willing to deny ourselves (and our sin nature) and yield ourselves to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Sorry but 'people' largely reject Jesus and His offer of salvation because they don't want to believe that what they do is sinful and they don't want to give up their sin because they enjoy it too much.



The Matthew 7 'Lord, Lord' crowd is unlike Christ but then they don't obey Him and He doesn't know them so once again we go back to the error of grouping in people who profess Christ but are not Christian with those who are submitted to Jesus.

Good points. Simple and direct. When it comes down to it, Jesus teachings shine a light into the darkness exposing sin. People don't want to give up the sin, which ironically they perceive as freedom when in reality it is bondage to sin.
 
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day time,

Jesus did not die to balance the scale for our sufferings. We are not victims. He died to pay the penalty for our sins so that by Gods grace through faith in Him, we might be saved.
Speak for yourself lol ....

I know that I personally would view being punished as being a victim, whether I deserved it or not. I feel this way towards those I love, and some who love me view it this way as well ....

For some people I love, I let them hurt me or drag me down into their "pit" because I understand what it's like to need to blame someone, or wish someone could suffer alongside of me, or have a need to see justice carried out but want to see it carried out through someone I trust and love .... someone who can take it because they love me back and are a safe person. I've needed this before, and I've given it to others.

For me, this is something Jesus did. Out of His love, he stood in my place. I needed that .... not only that, but I needed to blame someone for being victimized when I was a victim, not just someone who stood in my place for when I was the perpetrator.

If you've never been a victim, then perhaps you're looking at it only from a perpetrators point of view, which is partially what makes perpetrators what they are in the first place .... they don't recognize or understand victims or how they cause others to be victims in the first place.
 
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Teach the bible and Jesus through your actions because everyone hates words.

Well, "everyone" hates words of pretense, condescension, or hypocrisy.

But a good word in due season is lovely !

A man has joy by the answer of his mouth: and a word spoken in due season, how good is it! <-----> Proverbs 15:23
 
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Not all the hatred can be chalked up to Christians, whether real or merely purported, messing up their witness. There also is a carnal hatred of God's reign. We humans like our autonomy, or more accurately, our sense of autonomy.

It is a jungle out there, DreamerOfHearts. That's why Paul tells us to always have an answer for the hope that lies within us. The implication is that we have been asked. The implication of that is that something about us caused them to ask. We're different. We have a source of spiritual purpose and energy that frees us from the elemental things of this world that drive everyone else.

Paul did his share of cold preaching, and there is a place for that. But in the day-to-day interactions we have with people, it generally is necessary to take a more tactful, dialog-oriented approach, often biding the Lord's time as the Holy Spirit prepares hearts for the implantation of the Word.

Don't be discouraged. Return to the stronghold of hope and know that the Lord has everything under control.
 
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IDK, I have been dealing for quite some time with secular people, trying to put my beliefs into their terms, but I give up.

Ultimately, what I find is a lot of hate.

I do not think anyone can argue with being more forgiving, more loving, more less condemning... but it does not matter. Because people believe what they want to believe.

Hardly anyone hates Jesus. Some people don't believe he ever existed, but they don't hate who he is supposed to be.

Hating or disliking many of his followers is another story. Most Christians act nothing like Christ and that puts a lot of people off.
 
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Good points. Simple and direct. When it comes down to it, Jesus teachings shine a light into the darkness exposing sin. People don't want to give up the sin, which ironically they perceive as freedom when in reality it is bondage to sin.

And yet, ironically the biggest sinners in this country are all in the Bible Belt based on statistics.

Therefore your logic is flawed, since most Christians don't want to give up sin more than non-believers.
 
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Ok, well, like I said before. From what I have heard from a lot of non-believers, most people do not actually have a problem with God, Jesus, or the Christian faith.

I hear very often times that it's the people of the faith. Many do not like being challenged on their views, regardless of religion, political stance, etc. But I have been told and have also witnessed many Christians not conducting themselves in a Christian manner. A Christian is a follower of Christ. It is an adjective describing a noun (in this case, a person). But many do not follow Christ as they claim they do and I have seen this.

If you really think about it, a lot of the principles in the Bible, most people do not disagree with, such as the 10 commandments. Don't steal, lie, murder, etc. But when you see someone who says one thing, for instance, 'Thou shalt not judge lest ye be judged' and in the next sentence, you have no problem telling them they are going to hell if they don't change their ways? That's not your place to decide. Rarely have I ever come across a non-believer who dislikes Jesus or God. Usually, they dislike the person preaching and spreading the word.

Context matters and what I placed in bold (judge not lest ye be judged) is a prime example. Jesus wasn't telling people not to judge (there are numerous passages including this one where we are commanded TO judge) but not to judge as hypocrites. No one can judge another persons ultimate salvation (the sinner we see today may come to the Lord and be saved at a later time) but God makes it quite clear what sins will prevent someone from gaining His kingdom and they include many extremely popular things in American culture such as fornication and stealing (yes stealing ... all those entitlement programs where the bread of one man's labor is forceably taken from him and given to another IS stealing). So I disagree with you, I think most people do ultimately have a problem with embracing God's holiness because they don't want to give up sex outside of marriage or divorcing someone they've grown bored with or getting goodies from the government (it's so much easier to vote yourself money from the treasury than it is to seek first the kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS for the things we need).
 
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IDK, I have been dealing for quite some time with secular people, trying to put my beliefs into their terms, but I give up.

Ultimately, what I find is a lot of hate.

I do not think anyone can argue with being more forgiving, more loving, more less condemning... but it does not matter. Because people believe what they want to believe.

Please do not give up. 1 John 3:13 says "Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you." You're right that people are going to believe what they want to believe, but it is our responsibility to help give them a reason to want to believe in Jesus.

-Wesley

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