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A lot of churches believe in apostolic succession. Catholic means universal church and the church began when Peter was peaching on Pentacost. Are you talking about the Roman Catholic church. Because there is a whole book in the Bible written to the Romans. Are you talking about the Edict of Milan?There was no Catholic Church until the 4th century.
Before the Roman Catholic Church, the word Catholic was never used to apply to any of followers of Jesus Christ, or Christians. But they were simply known as Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ, or followers of "The Way".A lot of churches believe in apostolic succession. Catholic means universal church and the church began when Peter was peaching on Pentacost. Are you talking about the Roman Catholic church. Because there is a whole book in the Bible written to the Romans. Are you talking about the Edict of Milan?
In the anglo churches like the Methodist and Episcopal when you join the church the bishop lays on hands because of apostolic succession.And I don't believe in apostolic succession
Ok so you are saying the name Catholic did not exist because the church has been there from the beginning.And, yes, I'm very aware that there is a entire book in the Bible called Romans, thank you very much.
The church was a whole lot different before the name or title "Catholic" ever got involved, which only started with the Roman Catholic Church, etc.Ok so you are saying the name Catholic did not exist because the church has been there from the beginning.
And yet nowhere is the Bible/scriptures is apostolic succession ever mentioned at all, etc.In the anglo churches like the Methodist and Episcopal when you join the church the bishop lays on hands because of apostolic succession.
Do you know of anyone that has gotten saved that no one was a part of? You seem to think we do not need each other and nothing can be further from the truth.And yet nowhere is the Bible/scriptures is apostolic succession ever mentioned at all, etc.
How did you take that to mean that?Do you know of anyone that has gotten saved that no one was a part of? You seem to think we do not need each other and nothing can be further from the truth.
Did you ever read in Acts 8 17 about the laying on of hands? Peter and John then placed their hands on everyone who had faith in the Lord, and they were given the Holy Spirit.I just simply meant that there are not any more actual Apostles anymore now, etc.
I thought I mentioned that earlier, etc.Did you ever read in Acts 8 17 about the laying on of hands? Peter and John then placed their hands on everyone who had faith in the Lord, and they were given the Holy Spirit.
I'm sorry but your flight of ideas is too much for me. Plants have metabolism; rocks don't.What is the difference between a rock and a plant? The plants need sun but even we are made up of the elements of this earth. What the Bible calls dust and science calls star stuff.
There is no "Roman Catholic Church." The term "Catholic" appears to have used around the end of the first century. It is well accepted that "catholic," which has been pointed out means "universal," was probably used to distinguish Catholics and the Catholic Church from the various heretical religions that were springing up.Before the Roman Catholic Church, the word Catholic was never used to apply to any of followers of Jesus Christ, or Christians. But they were simply known as Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ, or followers of "The Way".
Study the Bible. You will see that when Judas died he was replaced. Likewise Jesus paralleled words from Isaiah in giving the first pope the keys to the kingdom. Isaiah chronicles the giving of the keys to the kingdom to the prime minister. There also you can read that when the office of prime minister became vacant a new prime minister was chosen. There were also many other ministers besides the prime minister. Catholics consider the Bible as being God-breathed, the Word of God. It is not something Catholics made up.And I don't believe in apostolic succession when it comes to Catholics, or the Pope, or anyone else in the Roman Catholic Church. The original Apostles, are the original Apostles, and no one else is, or is not, etc. I believe Catholics only made that up in order to claim the same kind of power and/or authority, etc.
Apostolic succession is something Roman Catholics, who didn't come about until the 4th century, made up. It is not found anywhere in the Bible.Study the Bible. You will see that when Judas died he was replaced. Likewise Jesus paralleled words from Isaiah in giving the first pope the keys to the kingdom. Isaiah chronicles the giving of the keys to the kingdom to the prime minister. There also you can read that when the office of prime minister became vacant a new prime minister was chosen. There were also many other ministers besides the prime minister. Catholics consider the Bible as being God-breathed, the Word of God. It is not something Catholics made up.
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There is no "Roman Catholic Church." The term "Catholic" appears to have used around the end of the first century. It is well accepted that "catholic," which has been pointed out means "universal," was probably used to distinguish Catholics and the Catholic Church from the various heretical religions that were springing up.
The Church had bishops from the very beginning, and roles have various degrees of authority. Your theory that the Way people were not corrupt and then "since that time, they have all been corrupt" is not supported by the Bible. To the contrary, we know there were some incredibly holy saints since that time. Also, don't confuse the position or role someone is given with their holiness. A person may do a good job or a bad job in their position in life, and Jesus is our judge.@Valletta
Look, all of the churches have strayed from what Jesus Christ originally intended when they started to give themselves special titles and created a hierarchy where some followers of Jesus Christ were more important, or were more special, or were said to carry more authority than other.followers of "The Way", etc. Since that time, they have all been corrupt, and have all become corrupted, and do not truly know God, or Jesus, or God the Holy Spirit, and I do not think ever had Him or His true anointing.
The early commoners, or common Christians, were the only ones truly following or walking in "The Way", etc.
It was quickly lost to the ages for a time after what I just now mentioned started happening, etc.
We are all to always be 100% totally equal in Christ always, etc.
That was the only real true "Way" followed by the original followers of "The Way", etc, which were just plain simple common folk after the Apostles mainly, etc.
Christianity everywhere quickly became corrupted when that was no longer the case, etc.
God Bless.
As I have said so many times, Wikipedia should not be used for any subject where there is disagreement or controversy. I use Wikipedia maps for finding cities and counties, but I know that Wikipedia is highly slanted and anyone can go out and write what they wish. Learn that. If you want to start a new thread about what the Bible says about Peter being the first pope please do so, that has been discussed many times before but strays from the specific subject of this thread.
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