Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

[RND]

There can be little question that there are a number of topics that get the juices flowing of those that post on CF which regularly leads to lively conversation, debate and even, regrettably, much rancor.

Of all those topics it seems the seventh-day sabbath and the accompanying discussions regarding the law of God and it's role in the life of a Christian is, routinely - hands down, the most viewed and posted topic on these boards. Now, compared to other boards I have been on these conversations and debates are actually quite mild and not nearly as rude or contentious as on other boards (a tribute to the mod staff at CF IMHO).

That said, whether you agree or not, why do you think the seventh-day sabbath is such a consistently huge topic for discussion?

My personal belief is that this is one way that the latter rain of the Lord is being spread in these last days. I believe that God is allowing this knowledge to come to more and more Christians as the issue of the seventh-day sabbath of God and the Sunday sacredness of the beast system becomes much more of a dividing line.

This way, in the future, when one sees sabbath keepers eventually persecuted for keeping the seventh-day sabbath, disregarding the state mandated day of Sunday sacredness, that all of these conversations, debates and conversations will have served an extremely valuable purpose - informing those that would care to hear that God is true, and His word is true, that His sabbath day really does mean something. God's love, his truth, His grace, His goodness, His mercy and His sabbath-day will be vindicated.

 

[ticker]

Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

...because we like our Saturdays and we don't want God to take them away from us. That's the real reason.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

I think Sabbath becomes a hot topic because Sabbatarians present the issue in their peculiarly rabid fashion, insinuating and/or insisting that non-Sabbataeians are heretical.

 

[ticker]

Rdr!!! Where ya been?

We've missed your pithy posts around here.

(....this place could always use more pith )

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Rdr!!! Where ya been?

We've missed your pithy posts around here.

(....this place could always use more pith )

Thx.

Been walking in the dark night of the soul.

Sunrise has come
Strap on your pith kevlar.

 

[ticker]

Bring it...even it hurts, your literal elequence is more than a fine way to feel the sting of a retort.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Bring it...even it hurts, your literal elequence is more than a fine way to feel the sting of a retort.

LOL
Smooth talk and a backhand?
Good Lord, I have become my father.

 

[RND]

I think Sabbath becomes a hot topic because Sabbatarians present the issue in their peculiarly rabid fashion, insinuating and/or insisting that non-Sabbataeians are heretical.

That sounds more like a complaint. I post on these boards and topics a lot and I never see the insinuations or insistence you claim.

 

[RND]

Why do you think the sabbath is always such a 'hot topic'?

...because we like our Saturdays and we don't want God to take them away from us. That's the real reason.

You mean God didn't give you His sabbath?

Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them. Eze 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which [if] a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Oh, and before you whip out the 'that was for Israel and not for me rant' who was promised the New Covenant again?

 

[ticker]

What are you trying to prove with all this...simply that you're right?

I know I like to show how the verses you (mis)use to prove your points in fact mean the opposite and tell of the good news of the Gospel (ie...if we love God we DO keep his commandments )...but all you seem to do is try and show how right you are all the time.

What's the point in that?

 

[RND]

What are you trying to prove with all this...simply that you're right?

Nope. That scripture is right. That the Word of God is true. It's all about the Lord and His glory.

Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

I'm just the messenger.

I know I like to show how the verses you (mis)use to prove your points in fact mean the opposite and tell of the good news of the Gospel (ie...if we love God we DO keep his commandments )...but all you seem to do is try and show how right you are all the time.

If that's the impression you are getting that impression can only be from the Holy Spirit. For some, the resist the truth of the word because they just simply don't want to believe it. But it's true. God's sabbath was never done away with or taken out of the way.

BTW, I would appreciate you pointing out where I have ever 'misused' scripture to prove my point. Frankly, that sounds like an oxymoron. How can I misuse something to prove a point? Can a man rebuilt the engine of his '69 Cuda with a meat clever just to prove a point?

What's the point in that?

To remind you that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

If the sabbath has been changed, removed, amended, cancelled, whatever I would love to see the defining verse that says so. Give me something as clear as "Remember the sabbath day.....to keep it Holy."

"Forget the sabbath day....it's no longer Holy." Show me that and I will forever believe that the sabbath has been changed.

"The Church, . . . after changing the day of rest from Sabbath, or the seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day."--The Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 4, p. 153 [The Sabbath commandment is the fourth commandment (Ex. 20:8-11), but is reckoned as the third by Roman Catholics, because they dropped the second (that forbade image worship), and then split the tenth into two to make up the full number].

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her Divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday . . . But the Protestant says: 'How can I receive the teachings of an apostate Church?' How, we ask, have you managed to receive her teaching all your life, in direct opposition to your recognized teacher, the Bible, on the Sabbath question?"--The Christian Sabbath, 2nd ed., published by the Catholic Mirror of Baltimore, 1893, pp. 29-31. [The journal of James Cardinal Gibbons].



"Protestants often deride the authority of Church tradition, and claim to be directed by the Bible only; yet they, too, have been guided by customs of the ancient Church, which find no warrant in the Bible, but rest on Church tradition only! A striking instance of this is the following:--The first positive command in the Decalogue is to 'Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy,' . . . But the Sabbath Day, the observance of which God commanded, was our Saturday. Yet who among either Catholics or Protestants, except a sect or two, ever keep that commandment now? None. Why is this? The Bible, which Protestants claim to obey exclusively, gives no authorization for the substitution of the first day of the week for the seventh. On what authority, therefore, have they done so? Plainly on the authority of that very Catholic Church which they abandoned, and whose traditions they condemn."--John L. Stoddard, Rebuilding a Lost Faith, p. 80 [Stoddard (1850-1931) was an agnostic writer most of his life, who later was converted to Catholicism].

 

[Timothew]

Q. Why is the Sabbath such a hot topic on this board?
A. Because there are so many SDAs on this board!

 

[Giver]

There can be little question that there are a number of topics that get the juices flowing of those that post on CF which regularly leads to lively conversation, debate and even, regrettably, much rancor.

Of all those topics it seems the seventh-day sabbath and the accompanying discussions regarding the law of God and it's role in the life of a Christian is, routinely - hands down, the most viewed and posted topic on these boards. Now, compared to other boards I have been on these conversations and debates are actually quite mild and not nearly as rude or contentious as on other boards (a tribute to the mod staff at CF IMHO).

That said, whether you agree or not, why do you think the seventh-day sabbath is such a consistently huge topic for discussion?

My personal belief is that this is one way that the latter rain of the Lord is being spread in these last days. I believe that God is allowing this knowledge to come to more and more Christians as the issue of the seventh-day sabbath of God and the Sunday sacredness of the beast system becomes much more of a dividing line.

This way, in the future, when one sees sabbath keepers eventually persecuted for keeping the seventh-day sabbath, disregarding the state mandated day of Sunday sacredness, that all of these conversations, debates and conversations will have served an extremely valuable purpose - informing those that would care to hear that God is true, and His word is true, that His sabbath day really does mean something. God's love, his truth, His grace, His goodness, His mercy and His sabbath-day will be vindicated.

Because it makes some people feel righteous. They feel set apart and holy.
But like Paul said if they are doing it for the Glory of God, then let them honor the day anyway they want. One who has much faith should not feel accused if they treat all days the same.

 

[RND]

Q. Why is the Sabbath such a hot topic on this board?
A. Because there are so many SDAs on this board!

Do you have any substantive proof of this or just empirical? I think we are a relatively small minority.

 

[ticker]

BTW, I would appreciate you pointing out where I have ever 'misused' scripture to prove my point.

...anyone else wanna touch this?

 

[RND]

Because it makes some people feel righteous. They feel set apart and holy.
But like Paul said if they are doing it for the Glory of God, then let them honor the day anyway they want. One who has much faith should not feel accused if they treat all days the same.

I see. So standing for the truth of all of God's word makes some of those that do so 'feel' set apart and holy? Do you mean to say better than others? Because if you do I can agree with that. But then again all churches, especially Sunday churches, have there fair share of 'legalists'.

What I don't understand is where you 'feel' you have been accused of something.

 

[Frogster]

I suppose the answer is because no one wants a yoke of bondage placed on their necks.So they do what Paul did,resist it.If I am not mistaken,it says that if you break the Sabbath,you are to be put to death.

 

[RND]

I suppose the answer is because no one wants a yoke of bondage placed on their necks.

The scriptures call the sabbath 'a delight.'

So they do what Paul did,resist it.

If Paul was a lawbreaker why was he never brought up on charges of breaking the law?

If I am not mistaken,it says that if you break the Sabbath,you are to be put to death.

It says the same thing regarding adultery. Yet we don't stone them either. How come?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

That sounds more like a complaint. I post on these boards and topics a lot and I never see the insinuations or insistence you claim.

Really?
How bout that.

 

[RND]

Really?
How bout that.

Maybe you could provide some examples in order to bolster your claim.