Why do you think its wrong

[bliz]

Of course you won't do it because you will be too fascinated with your own alleged intellect to do so.

And I thought we were having a nice discussion... Why the personal insult?

You cannot preach the Gospel without confronting sin. The more high-profile and common the sin, the more it will be addressed.

Tell me, is saying unkind things to people on the internet a sin?

If you are looking for those most obsessed with sex, try the advertising industry, Hollywood, and the average American. Do you think tose sex-saturrated shows about "stars" and the morning talk shows where nearly every topic involves sex are there because people are NOT thinking about it, or because they want to hear MORE?

I confess to being pretty ignorant as to what is discussed on talk shows and in Hollywood becasue I pay very little attention to what goes on there. You on the other hand appear to be pretty well versed concerning their antics... My "alleged intellect" thinks that you have just proven my point.

 

[JunkYardDog]

And I thought we were having a nice discussion... Why the personal insult?

It is not personal -- at least no more personal than your judgement that preachers out there are obsessed with sex.

You said:

Actually, I wish they would think a whole lot less about it. Then maybe they would focus on the important things, like preaching the Gospel, which they generally do very well, and stop acting like the sex police, finding possible sexual sin everywhere and in everything and making a lot of people feel nedlessly guilty. There are enough things in life that we really should feel guilty about and seek repentence for... we don't need to add extra-Biblical layers of additional guilt.

You obviously already have your mind made up about who is more obsessed and who the sex police are. Frankly, we need more preachers willing to actully ASSIGN GUILT rather than the current trend to mitigate it. It is knowing that we are guilty before God that drives us to seek His mercy.

Tell me, is saying unkind things to people on the internet a sin?

I don't think it is unkind to point out to you that you apparently are WAY more impressed with your own intellect than you have any right to be. Maybe you need a good look in the mirror. You have made these statements about preachers being overly concerned with sexual sin -- as though people aren't going to Hell for eyternity because they are seduced into this evil. You make these statements WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE for comparison -- as you amply demonstrate below:

I confess to being pretty ignorant as to what is discussed on talk shows and in Hollywood becasue I pay very little attention to what goes on there. You on the other hand appear to be pretty well versed concerning their antics... My "alleged intellect" thinks that you have just proven my point.

I agree. You are apparently ignorant that the secular society is drowning in a sexual swill. Yet you are familiar enought with "preachers" and their alleged obsession. Your alleged intellect has made judgements based upon what you admit is your "ignorance" of what is going on.

 

[coolstylinstud]

I hope your joking please tell me your joking

 

[statrei]

why did God create fossile fuels?

without them the world could not support this big of a population, God wanted more people, so more people would accept him, to say we can hasten the second coming is fallacy. God knows when the second coming is, we should try to bring people to God whether or not their actually is a second coming. im not sure what relevancy this has to anything besides the fact that masturbation, hentai, and alchohol is not being discussed anymore.

I don't know what fossil fuels has to do with this, but even you must know that that reasoning was as circular as one can get. With kind of reasoning one can prove that Barnie founded Disney World.

It is interesting that you should believe that God knew that the date of His return was beyond 2004 yet He still allowed the early church to believe that He would return in their lifetime. When Paul addressed the concerns of the brethren in Thessalonica it is noteworthy that he never told them, this thing is way off in the future. How do you reconcile these in your mind? Why not simply accept the plain biblical teaching instead of what you have been led to belileve?

 

[statrei]

I hope your joking please tell me your joking

It is helpful to provide some indication regarding the identity of the poster to whom you are addressing your remarks.

 

[coolstylinstud]

It is helpful to provide some indication regarding the identity of the poster to whom you are addressing your remarks.

the person who started the thread

 

[Shizzle]

It is not personal -- at least no more personal than your judgement that preachers out there are obsessed with sex.

i wouldnt say preachers are obsessed with sex, but when i thought masturbation was wrong, i was much more obsessed with it than i am now

I hope your joking please tell me your joking

no, and no ones been able to prove anyone of these things wrong through the entire thread, misconceptions are abundant from the catholic churches rein

It is interesting that you should believe that God knew that the date of His return was beyond 2004 yet He still allowed the early church to believe that He would return in their lifetime. When Paul addressed the concerns of the brethren in Thessalonica it is noteworthy that he never told them, this thing is way off in the future. How do you reconcile these in your mind? Why not simply accept the plain biblical teaching instead of what you have been led to belileve?

how could god not know when the end will come, it says it in the bible, to say that god doesnt know when the end is, is to say that god is underneath time which is a biblical fallacy. Its the early churches fault for believing that.

 

[bliz]

You have made these statements about preachers being overly concerned with sexual sin -- as though people aren't going to Hell for eyternity because they are seduced into this evil.

I thought people went to Hell because their sins were not forgiven by God. You seem to be under the impression that peole go to Hell becasue they are guilty of sexual sin. Do any other sins send them to Hell, or is it only sexual sins?

It's been interesting... I'm out of here.

 

[JunkYardDog]

I thought people went to Hell because their sins were not forgiven by God. You seem to be under the impression that peole go to Hell becasue they are guilty of sexual sin. Do any other sins send them to Hell, or is it only sexual sins?

It's been interesting... I'm out of here.

Naturally I should have expected you to misunderstand anything I said. The reason preachers preach agains sin in general and sexual sin in particular is because people AREN'T repenting and forgiven. Any sin will do, it is just that sexual sin (as I clearly said before) are predominant.

I think you were "out of it" before you were "out of here." You don't listen and you make snap judgments on thing about which you admit you are ignorant.

 

[statrei]

how could god not know when the end will come, it says it in the bible, to say that god doesnt know when the end is, is to say that god is underneath time which is a biblical fallacy. Its the early churches fault for believing that.

Is that the basis for your belief. I would suggest that you are the one who is seekiing to bind the Master by time. He knows exactly when His second coming will occur. He says it in the Bible. As soon as men have done the task they have been assigned. Timing does not only refer to chronological time but to suitable conditions. Ever read the phrase ". . . and them shall the end come?" Think on that for a while. And when you say something is in the Bible it would help if you could give a quote, a rough paraphrase or a reference. Anyone can say something is iin the Bible, like those who say the Bible says "God helps those who help themselves."

 

[statrei]

Naturally I should have expected you to misunderstand anything I said. The reason preachers preach agains sin in general and sexual sin in particular is because people AREN'T repenting and forgiven. Any sin will do, it is just that sexual sin (as I clearly said before) are predominant.

I think you were "out of it" before you were "out of here." You don't listen and you make snap judgments on thing about which you admit you are ignorant.

Pride is more predominant than sexual sin, but there may be too much among the preachers for them to preach against it. Sexual sin is a much more tasty target.

 

[invisible trousers]

i think we've reached the point of the thread where we've run out of arguments and start insulting people who don't share our beliefs.

I think you were "out of it" before you were "out of here." You don't listen and you make snap judgments on thing about which you admit you are ignorant.

that was a good ol' fashioned ice burn there son!

people who try to deny their sexuality and sexual drives end up in a bizarre state where the drive manifests itself as an obsession which causes the person to start worrying about sexuality and sexual relations of others, not just themselves.

poor and slightly graphic analogy ahead

let's say on a whim you decide to stop pooping. so a few days go by and the whole time you're like "ohh man i gotta poo so bad this is killing me!". finally you give in to your evil body and do the deed, feeling better when it's over. you then inexplicably repeat the process over and over and over again for a large portion of your life.

i think this can kind of be related to masturbating. people who don't touch seem to have sex on their mind all the time. they preach about how most anything sexual-related is bad or post on the internet about how everyone shouldn't touch because it's so terrible and how everyone should listen to them (even though they're totally obsessed about it). of course we have the males who complain and whine to eachother about how hard it is to go without masturbating and how they feel so guilty for giving in, while telling everyone to join them in their misery. misery loves company!

i guess in the other camp we have people who touch, possibly even frequently (oh how daring!) who appear to be doing alright in their relationships with others and with God. i really don't see the effects of this so-called "sin" compared to other actual sins like adultery, lying, murder, etc.

 

[JunkYardDog]

people who try to deny their sexuality and sexual drives end up in a bizarre state where the drive manifests itself as an obsession which causes the person to start worrying about sexuality and sexual relations of others, not just themselves.

Ah, the old "bag Theory," huh? Sorry, this is not even scientifically (much less biblically) defensible.

poor and slightly graphic analogy ahead

Indeed.

let's say on a whim you decide to stop pooping. so a few days go by and the whole time you're like "ohh man i gotta poo so bad this is killing me!". finally you give in to your evil body and do the deed, feeling better when it's over. you then inexplicably repeat the process over and over and over again for a large portion of your life.

The repoductive system has no such limitsd or needs for physical evacuation. Go back to high school biology. Do not pass Go. Do not collect old wives tales.

i think this can kind of be related to masturbating. people who don't touch seem to have sex on their mind all the time. they preach about how most anything sexual-related is bad or post on the internet about how everyone shouldn't touch because it's so terrible and how everyone should listen to them (even though they're totally obsessed about it). of course we have the males who complain and whine to eachother about how hard it is to go without masturbating and how they feel so guilty for giving in, while telling everyone to join them in their misery. misery loves company!

Like I pointed out to the last guy who made this claim, have you seen the billboards, the newspapers, TV lately? I challenge you also to stack up the talk about sex between your ten leading sit coms and your ten leading TV or radio preachers and count how much time they each talk about sex. The ones with the obsession are NOT the preachers. I never found it particularly hard to "go without mastubating." It is called self-control -- a fruit of the Spirit. Nor have I found it necessary to spend my time thinking about sex. Why don't you complain about Dr. Ruth?

i guess in the other camp we have people who touch, possibly even frequently (oh how daring!) who appear to be doing alright in their relationships with others and with God. i really don't see the effects of this so-called "sin" compared to other actual sins like adultery, lying, murder, etc.

"Appear" being the operative word.

Ecclesiastes 8:11
11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

 

[JunkYardDog]

Pride is more predominant than sexual sin, but there may be too much among the preachers for them to preach against it. Sexual sin is a much more tasty target.

Please show me the "pride" advertisement campaigns.

Sexual sins are the most highly pushed by the culture, but I know plenty of preachers who preach against pride. Then, of course, there is the place where they intersect -- "gay" pride. I don't see a lot of people condemning that pride that makes nearly naked (and sometimes fully naked) men and women march down city streets to show their "pride."

 

[statrei]

Please show me the "pride" advertisement campaigns.

Sexual sins are the most highly pushed by the culture, but I know plenty of preachers who preach against pride. Then, of course, there is the place where they intersect -- "gay" pride. I don't see a lot of people condemning that pride that makes nearly naked (and sometimes fully naked) men and women march down city streets to show their "pride."

You need to get in touch with reality. Avoid the one that has been constructed for you.

 

[BarbB]

Ah, the old "bag Theory," huh? Sorry, this is not even scientifically (much less biblically) defensible.

....

I guess that I'm a dried up old bag, eh? I don't think so. All I know is that one of the immediate fruits of the spirit in my life was the ability to say, No - I don't believe that's what God wants for me. Pretty hard to understand, isn't it?

 

[invisible trousers]

hmm maybe i'll cover other things you said sometime later today

"Appear" being the operative word.

Ecclesiastes 8:11
11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

so you're not going to explicitly define or show how masturbating causes harm to others like actual sins, but instead say "it's bad because i say so" and leave it at that? please.

The repoductive system has no such limitsd or needs for physical evacuation. Go back to high school biology. Do not pass Go. Do not collect old wives tales.

yeah i guess you're right, nocturnal emissions are only rumors and hearsay at best.

 

[BarbB]

From the NIV:


Quote:

DT 23:9 When you are encamped against your enemies, keep away from everything impure. [10] If one of your men is unclean because of a nocturnal emission, he is to go outside the camp and stay there. [11] But as evening approaches he is to wash himself, and at sunset he may return to the camp.

DT 23:12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. [13] As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. [14] For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.

In Deuteronomy, God has instructed that nocturnal emissions are to be treated as unclean and the man who had one is unclean until evening. The very next paragraph speaks of setting up latrines. ...

Sorry, I couldn't help repeating myself.

 

[JunkYardDog]

so you're not going to explicitly define or show how masturbating causes harm to others like actual sins, but instead say "it's bad because i say so" and leave it at that? please.

The "harm" is to yourself and God. You "harm" God by sinning against Him. And, as paul said, fornication is a sin against your own body.

yeah i guess you're right, nocturnal emissions are only rumors and hearsay at best.

You are assuming that nocturnal emissions come from lack of masturbation. When I was unsaved and still masturbating I had nocturnal emissions much more often than when I stopped. There is no science connecting nocturnal emissions with any kind of physical need to release excess as there is with having to evacuate the bowels.

 

[JunkYardDog]

In Deuteronomy, God has instructed that nocturnal emissions are to be treated as unclean and the man who had one is unclean until evening. The very next paragraph speaks of setting up latrines. ...

Sorry, I couldn't help repeating myself.

Interesting how nocturnal emissions makes one unclean, but taking a dump doesn't.