Why do you think its wrong

[Shizzle]

There is no science connecting nocturnal emissions with any kind of physical need to release excess as there is with having to evacuate the bowels.

common sense, your body constantly produces sperm, its gotta go somewhere, there you have it, wet dreams!

 

[JunkYardDog]

common sense, your body constantly produces sperm, its gotta go somewhere, there you have it, wet dreams!

Yeah, that was the same kind of "reasoning" that led people to believe that flies came from rotting meat and that algae produced frogs. It looks like it, but it is not so. The body produces a lot of things then reabsorbs them when they get past their shelf life. Why don't you regularly bleed? Your body just keeps on producing blood, but where does it go? Do you get nightly nosebleeds? Go back to high school biology, man!

 

[Shizzle]

algae does produce frogs

 

[JunkYardDog]

algae does produce frogs

This I would like to see your proof for --

not to mention your theory on why nocturnal emissions occur.

 

[invisible trousers]

The "harm" is to yourself and God. You "harm" God by sinning against Him. And, as paul said, fornication is a sin against your own body.

stellar example of circular reasoning right there. masturbation is bad because it's a sin. why is it a sin? because it's bad. you ignored my question completely too. let's not even start on how masturbation has never been a part of fornication.

this is really simple-- all you have to do is show how masturbation is harmful, much like how lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, etc are harmful. why are you unable to do so?

 

[JunkYardDog]

stellar example of circular reasoning right there. masturbation is bad because it's a sin. why is it a sin? because it's bad. you ignored my question completely too. let's not even start on how masturbation has never been a part of fornication.

this is really simple-- all you have to do is show how masturbation is harmful, much like how lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, etc are harmful. why are you unable to do so?

I am. You simply refuse to believe it because you'd rather be doing something else. You won't accept any standard than your own denial.

 

[invisible trousers]

hm, we've reached the "nah nah nahh i'm right you're wrong" stage of the thread.

you haven't been able to answer a simple question like "prove that masturbation is as harmful as killing your neighbor" or for some reason refuse to do so. this inability reflects well on how strong your argument actually is.

i'm not quite sure what i'm supposed to be in denial about, either.

 

[statrei]

I object to this disrepectful title of nocturnal emissions. Next thing you will want to get a Government agency involved to test the emissions. I prefer to refer to that entire episode as Organic Cartography. Thank you.

 

[JunkYardDog]

i'm not quite sure what i'm supposed to be in denial about, either.

For one, about being in denial.

Please show the biblical requirement that something must be proved to be harmful to someone or "as harmful ad murder" before it can be called sin. Being covetous harms no one so long as you don't go into acting it out in theft, yet one of the Big Ten forbids it. Looking at a woman to lust after her harms no one, but Jesus said it is adultery. You have set up your own standards -- and impossible ones at that for you would always argue that what I say is "harm" isn't a harm in your eyes. Your standards are not God's.

The Wiccan standard is: "Doing no harm, do what ye will." That leaves the individual as the final arbiter of what is harm.

That isn't the way God works. You've bought into the teaching of Wicca, not Jesus.

 

[statrei]

For one, about being in denial.

Please show the biblical requirement that something must be proved to be harmful to someone or "as harmful ad murder" before it can be called sin. Being covetous harms no one so long as you don't go into acting it out in theft, yet one of the Big Ten forbids it. Looking at a woman to lust after her harms no one, but Jesus said it is adultery. You have set up your own standards -- and impossible ones at that for you would always argue that what I say is "harm" isn't a harm in your eyes. Your standards are not God's.

The Wiccan standard is: "Doing no harm, do what ye will." That leaves the individual as the final arbiter of what is harm.

That isn't the way God works. You've bought into the teaching of Wicca, not Jesus.

I see the source of your confusion. You are in an alternate reality. The fact is that if it does not lead to harm to anyone then it was not covetousness. If it does not instill an illigitimate sexual desire it was not lust. You need to get your definitions straight before engaging in the dialogue.

 

[JunkYardDog]

I see the source of your confusion. You are in an alternate reality. The fact is that if it does not lead to harm to anyone then it was not covetousness. If it does not instill an illigitimate sexual desire it was not lust. You need to get your definitions straight before engaging in the dialogue.

You are correct. I do live in an alternate reality. It is called the Kingdom of God where God's definitions count, not human ones. God prohibits covetousness -- which He says is idolatry -- as well as looking and lusting BEING (not leading to) adultery.

 

[statrei]

You are correct. I do live in an alternate reality. It is called the Kingdom of God where God's definitions count, not human ones. God prohibits covetousness -- which He says is idolatry -- as well as looking and lusting BEING (not leading to) adultery.

Your poor hermeneutics is obvious. Christ was teaching that the act begins in the mind. Certainly you are not advocating that anyone who looks at a woman has sinned. Do you plan on gouging our your eyes as an example? Stop feeding the view that Christianity is the domain of the unlearned and ignorant.

 

[JunkYardDog]

Your poor hermeneutics is obvious. Christ was teaching that the act begins in the mind. Certainly you are not advocating that anyone who looks at a woman has sinned. Do you plan on gouging our your eyes as an example? Stop feeding the view that Christianity is the domain of the unlearned and ignorant.

Your "hermenutics" is what allows you to escape what God ACTUALLY SAID. It reminds me of what the Jews had done to God's Word when Jesus was here. Jesus SAID looking at a woman to lust after her was a sin. God SAYS that coveting is breaking His commandment. Dance with Herman around that all day long, but you will not escape God's standard when you stand before Him.

 

[statrei]

Your "hermenutics" is what allows you to escape what God ACTUALLY SAID. It reminds me of what the Jews had done to God's Word when Jesus was here. Jesus SAID looking at a woman to lust after her was a sin. God SAYS that coveting is breaking His commandment. Dance with Herman around that all day long, but you will not escape God's standard when you stand before Him.

Sometimes I wonder. There is none so blind as he who will not see because he continues to insist that he is the sighted one.

 

[JunkYardDog]

Sometimes I wonder. There is none so blind as he who will not see because he continues to insist that he is the sighted one.

Ditto. Your little maxim proves nothing.

All I asseted is what the Scripture plainly says. You and Herman are the ones who insist that it means something else.

 

[invisible trousers]

Please show the biblical requirement that something must be proved to be harmful to someone or "as harmful ad murder" before it can be called sin.

read more carefully next time and you might see that i didn't claim that.

For one, about being in denial.

"i'm right you're wrong end of story" awesome! feel free to not substantiate your argument in any real manner


i like how this discussion is working out! since you are unable to actually show any proof to your beliefs other than "i'm right you're wrong nahh nahh nahh", i don't see any reason to believe a single thing you type. i also like how your interpretation is the only correct way of looking at scripture and everyone else who doesn't agree with it is bringing in wicca (roofles, like i know jack about wiccan teachings) or is just plain wrong.

Your standards are not God's.

let me guess, your standards are? please.

i'll let you off the hook for a little bit of this stuff; it's not like Jesus ever taught about pride.

 

[Shizzle]

doesnt the bible say somewhere in psalms that ignorance is willful

the futility of this debate is equal to discussing the existance of God with an atheist..

 

[statrei]

doesnt the bible say somewhere in psalms that ignorance is willful

the futility of this debate is equal to discussing the existance of God with an atheist..

I don't see how you combine the two but I guess more difficult things have been accomplished.

 

[Shizzle]

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