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You are from the Philippines. I randomly become friends with you on Facebook in 2010. I have never met you in person. You start reading what I write on Facebook. You are too shy to tell me that you like me until I randomly give you a compliment two or so weeks ago. We then start chatting & somehow we start talking about marriage. I tell you that maybe someday I will propose, that is if I someday pick you. You were raised Roman Catholic. I was raised Baptist. You say you are ok that I'm Baptist. Yet, do you have hidden agendas? Are you just using me to get you & your seven year old son into the United States? You say you want to care for me & want to go wherever I go as missionaries. I believe that I'm really good at reading people, but what if I'm not as good as I think I am? What if you're really evil & that I'm just to blind to see that?
 

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You are from the Philippines. I randomly become friends with you on Facebook in 2010. I have never met you in person. You start reading what I write on Facebook. You are too shy to tell me that you like me until I randomly give you a compliment two or so weeks ago.
We then start chatting & somehow we start talking about marriage.

Odd how marriage came up quickly...
You don't really know her that well. A week or two is very early...
Don't move too fast in this relationship...

I tell you that maybe someday I will propose, that is if I someday pick you.

As you've never met, don't be so committed that you make a big mistake....
Marriage is a big commitment... More than just lovey-dovey feelings you may have now...

If you propose to her without really knowing her, things may pop-up after you've proposed....
Dating is to see what you want (and don't want) in a partner...
You may see some things that don't interest you or turn you off...

May be hard to back-off once you've proposed...
You'd be in a weaker position if you tell her you may propose to her...
Could save you some heartache...
You were raised Roman Catholic. I was raised Baptist. You say you are ok that I'm Baptist.
Yet, do you have hidden agendas?

Are you just using me
to get you & your seven year old son into the United States?

You say you want to care for me & want to go wherever I go as missionaries.

I believe that I'm really good at reading people, but what if I'm not as good as I think I am?
What if you're really evil & that I'm just to blind to see that?

Would say you're wise to have these concerns.
Not sure why she wants to get married so soon... Maybe she wants a dad for her kid...
Get to know her first... She may have motives you don't know about...

A successful physician I know married a woman from South America... She couldn't speak English...
Everyone tried to talk some sense in him....
Maybe he was panicky @ not ever being married @42....

Think of GIs marrying brides they met in the war or on a Pacific Island....
They may know them a little... but not much....
The women may like them and they may have had sex... but like the guys, may not really know them.
Perhaps they want to leave their country, which is in bad shape...
To guys who've never been successful at relationships, it all looks very enticing...

Next time you talk, say you spoke too soon...
Say you're new at dating and don't always say the right things.
She shouldn't rush you...

Remember, any girl you date has to develop feelings for you on her own... as you need to generate feelings for her as well... on your timeframe and comfort level...

Do a search on dating overseas women.
See if there are any patterns (like talking marriage early).
Usually, the topic doesn't come up early in dating.

My advice is to slow things a little esp. as you've only talked a week or so and are already talking marriage...
No reason to rush into marriage...Marriage is a serious business...
 
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You are from the Philippines. I randomly become friends with you on Facebook in 2010. I have never met you in person. You start reading what I write on Facebook. You are too shy to tell me that you like me until I randomly give you a compliment two or so weeks ago. We then start chatting & somehow we start talking about marriage. I tell you that maybe someday I will propose, that is if I someday pick you. You were raised Roman Catholic. I was raised Baptist. You say you are ok that I'm Baptist. Yet, do you have hidden agendas? Are you just using me to get you & your seven year old son into the United States? You say you want to care for me & want to go wherever I go as missionaries. I believe that I'm really good at reading people, but what if I'm not as good as I think I am? What if you're really evil & that I'm just to blind to see that?

Are you using a high school photo or some other photo? Are you the kid in the picture?

Is the lady divorced? A divorce doesn't make someone fair game.

I Corinthians 7
10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.



Just to take the emotion out of the equation, why would you want to marry a woman with a seven-year-old (especially if that picture of yours is recent.) I can see a man who is a bit older with some kids of his own marrying a woman like that. Just from a 'market' perspective, if you are single and have no kids, you just may have the 'capital' to get an unmarried woman without kids who isn't especially looking for someone to get a visa for her to come to the US. There are even virgins in the 20's still left in Asia. I'm not saying it's wrong to marry a woman with a child-- but someone you know through Facebook? It seems like a negative though, for a young guy (making a huge, possibly unjustified assumption here based on what could be an outdated picture) who might not have experience with kids to take on that kind of responsibility with someone he hasn't met in real life.


My wife is Asian. There are lots of pluses to marrying an Asian woman with traditional values. But when I went abroad, I found out that there were a lot of girls who were looking for a white man. White men are assumed to be rich-- maybe because someone out of college here gets 40 grand for a job someone in some of these countries might make 2 or 3 grand for in a year. In this particular country, it was kind of high status to marry a white man, too, because of the effects of colonization I suppose, and also since TV stars did it and some of the popular TV stars were mixed race with Caucasian. So I went over there, and while Asian women are supposed to be shy, they are a little more clear about letting you know they like you (or I was just considered better looking there). Sometimes they do this in a junior highish way. After living there a while and looking for a godly woman, women who were a bit too aggressive about their interest in me turned me off. There was too much of an opportunity for motives I wasn't looking for-- the desire to marry a 'rich' white man, the desire for social status, or whatever. I didn't detect all that with my wife, though apparently she was attracted to Caucasians (not exclusively, though.) She was a godly woman, and after much prayer, we determined it was God's will (or it took me a lot of prayer at least.)



Women from my wife's country typically have been taught from their religion or society in general that wives are supposed to be diligent around the home, want to raise children, submit to their husbands, be faithful, and a lot of other good things that aren't taught so much in the United States. Women in the Philippines, though, think that the husband goes and earns the salary and gives her the paycheck to manage. So watch out with expectations if you marry someone from another country and talk these things out. I didn't find out until after marriage that in my wife's culture, the husband's money is 'our money' and the wife's money is 'my money.' Some wives are like that here, but it is more deeply ingrained in the culture there. She's a stay at home mom, so it doesn't matter, and we seem to be on the same page about it, now.


Also, your expectations in terms of giving money to in-laws and different relatives may be much different. Fortunately, a dollar goes a really long way in some of these countries. You might also be expected to cut up meat if you go to an in-laws family reunion, though they may cut you some slack for being foreign or just not tell you what you are supposed to do culturally. There are lots of little things to learn to fit in.



If you want to marry a woman from Asia, I wouldn't say online dating is wrong. I would be wary of a woman with a kid who wants a visa Facebooking me. You don't know how many other people she facebooks. Does she ever right on your wall? Check her friends out. See how many white men she has as friends. Friend a few of them, and if she writes stuff on your wall, compare it to what she writes on their's. Does she have any other Facebook boyfriends? Will she marry the first one that asks?

If you want to date an Asian girl through the Internet, maybe Friendster would work to meet someone, but you need to find a Christian who would be on the same page with you, and Friendster would be like Facebook in that regard. Friendster was popular in Asia when I was there. Am I right in interpreting you as saying you want to be a missionary. If that is the case, you need to be very, very, very picky about who you choose. You need someone with a missionary zeal to be your helpmeet, so she can really help you in your ministry and not hinder you. Wesley's wife was a thorn in his side. I think William Carey's first wife may have been before he was widowed. There is no need to marry a difficult woman unless the Lord tells you to like Hosea. :)

It makes more sense, IMO, to actually go to Asia and spend some time with your prospective bride if you go that route--before you start seriously talking about marriage. I do know three or four women from my wife's country who met their spouses through the Internet. I even gave the idea to one of them. She was from my wife's people group, and had an attractive face and build I thought, but was about 40, I think, and unwed. I said there were dating sites on the Internet. A year later she came to a party at my house when I lived overseas and told me that she took my advice and met a man through the Internet. They dated through web cam meetings. She'd go to an Internet cafe. I think he may have come over before they got engaged, but he may have just come over for the engagement. Three or four girls who knew each other did the same thing. At least two of them ended up in Virginia. These girls were looking for husbands, and I guess they liked white men. They weren't just gold diggers looking for a visa as far as I can tell. They weren't poor mail order brides. They seemed to be doing reasonably well.

If you don't feel like you have to marry an Asian woman, there are western women who hold to Biblical values you can marry, too. If you want to be a missionary to a particular country, you might go there and see if you meet someone. In the country I went to, it sure seems a lot easier to get hitched than here. The culture is very marriage oriented. Whatever you do, pray about it a lot. Study the Bible and get some criteria for the type of woman you want to marry in your mind. Work on becoming an ideal godly husband, a hard working loving leader, etc. Tim Conway's study on a how to find a godly wife is available on YouTube.
 
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Check her friends out. See how many white men she has as friends.
After looking at each of her 482 friends, I recall only seeing one white male, me. As far as I know, she is a genuine person. She has real friends that care about her. Most of her friends are female. All her friends seem to be related to her or similar to her.
 
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I would be cautious as well.

Personally, I would not date internationally for that exact reason. It's just too hard to tell what somebody's true intentions are. Maybe she is looking for a way to leave her country and find a better life in the US. But that doesn't necessarily mean that she doesn't care about you and won't be loyal to you.

Just proceed with caution and don't be afraid to take things slow. You are justified in being suspicious. There's a lot of technology now that can allow you to get to know her and her family better before doing anything drastic. You can both install Skype and have video chats. You can show each other your homes, you can talk to her son and get to know him, you can get to know her family, she can meet yours. Go out to visit her if you can. Just give yourself a lot of time and opportunities to observe her behavior and her reactions to things.
 
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I've been with my fiance from the Phillipines for just over 5 months now (er, not in perosn until next month). Mind you I am 30 and a computer geek so I had a bit of a expirience with this issue.

If she asks for money within a month then you should be careful. They say a true scammer will stop taking to you after about a month with no money given to them. Thats the biggest scam. The other one is them coming here for a green card. In that case remember, they will never use any of there money, after all they are using you to get there. SO be aware of that.

This may sound wrong as a christian but you kinda have to be sneaky sometimes to catch a scammer in a lie. My fiance gave me access (within about 1 week) to her email, facebook and even bank account to show me she was real. And trust me being a geek I am I went through every email, message, chat....etc. There was no signs of her cheating on me or flirting with other men. I couldn't find shred of her lying at all or anything suspicious. If anything I found tons of evidence of her behign honest!

I even found some of her old email accounts (well 1 other) and checked it without her knowing. It was from when she was a teen. It to was very clean. Nothing fishy. I've even talked to her friend and family (she has a ton) and no one messed up an answers or anything.

I even got her to webcam chat with me a few times after work so I could see everything live and in person. Well and of course I did have someone I knew in that area (at the time) check to see if she was real too. We've sent evidence back and forth to each other alot in the beggining because while us Americans are cautious of scams, the Filipinos are the same way since young filipino women are used as sex slaves...etc.

Now we did engage after about a month. But I should note we talked about everything we could think of in that time from religious views, money views...etc. Just to make sure we matched and were both honest. For the last month or two we have been mutually saving money so she can come here to visit first. Then after I will go there and marry her and bring her back here.

It wasn't easy at first because her mother is very protective because of foreign men using the women. Not to mention her moms a pastor so she wanted to make sure I was a god fearing man! I do know of a few who have brides from the Phillipines. Still need to be careful though.

If you have plans on marrying it will be a LONG process. If you go there it is by far easier. But if you want her to come to you it will more of a hassle. We still have about a year or more before we ar married. Thats how long it can take. All it takes is one wrong thing on a Visa and you/she get denied for a year! So plan it all carefully. On average I get told it can cost anywhere fmo $5000-$20,000 depending on vavried circumtances. Just a one way ticket there (booked 1 month prior) is about $1,200. Thats not counting the flight back, hotels (if need be), food, travel...etc.

If you commit, then just be willing to go through alot. Because it will test jsut how commited you are. If you are like me and found a true chrsitian women then best of luck to you because Filipino women are VERY family oriented. The good ones are a little bit hard to find.

And yeah, if you the conversation on here it could help alot. Almost all scammers use generic messages that you can search for and find on the web if they are scammets. Thats the biggest thing to catching one I've found. I copy a sentece they sent to me and search on google.
 
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Almost all scammers use generic messages that you can search for and find on the web if they are scammets. Thats the biggest thing to catching one I've found. I copy a sentence they sent to me and search on google.
Can you share the things spammers say? We should talk about these kinds of things. I also want to share in my experience with scam artists. It all started with emails from Nigeria around twelve years ago. I do not think I had email in 1999, but the next year I think I registered for one on Yahoo. My brother helped me. Anyways, so, I want to share conversations I have had with them, the scam artists. There are some key questions I ask them. Before you know it, they stop talking to you.
 
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I've been with my fiance from the Phillipines for just over 5 months now (er, not in perosn until next month). Mind you I am 30 and a computer geek so I had a bit of a expirience with this issue.

If she asks for money within a month then you should be careful. They say a true scammer will stop taking to you after about a month with no money given to them. Thats the biggest scam. The other one is them coming here for a green card. In that case remember, they will never use any of there money, after all they are using you to get there. SO be aware of that.


It's interesting how many people meet through the Internet these days. About 10 years ago, in Asia, my wife and I hosted a one-off Bible study at my house. A woman who went to our church sometimes said she was 40, and asked how she could find a husband. (Maybe she asked partly because I was white, and she was interested in finding a white man, though I do'nt remember exactly.)

I mentioned the fact that a lot of people got married on line. The pastor said 8% of couples met through the Internet. Maybe a year later, she came to our Christmas party and was engaged. She wanted to tell me how she had followed up on my off-hand suggestion. She had met a man online and chatted webcammed him for a year. She moved to Virginia. Within a year two of her other friends had married Americans and moved to Virginia. I wonder what it was about Virginia and marrying girls from that country. Maybe they were friends of the groom in the first wedding.

I am curious about how you met. Did you meet your fiance on a dating site full of Filappinas looking for a partner from overseas? How did you make the initial contact. I have a friend whose 50 and has never been married. He is interested in online dating. I helped him get set up with one site on his computer since he's not too computer literate.

I lived in my wife's country when I met her. I had a job there. That is another way to bring a wife back. We had been married for two years before we applied for a greencard. The paperwork was a big ordeal, but other than that, they didn't give us a hard time.

Her parents lived in another city and hadn't met me. When they heard we wanted to wed, they were concerned. Her father mentioned to her about the divorce rate in western country and westerners taking 'contract wives' in their country. She had to convince him I wasn't that kind of foreigner.
 
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She had to convince him I wasn't that kind of foreigner.

On a side note, I just want to share my recent encounter with a so-called Nigerian woman, whom as some do, will ask you to marry them. As I was writing to her on Facebook, she asked me to send her money so she can help her mom. Her mom is in South Africa & she is in Nigeria. I suggested sending money directly to the hospital in South Africa. She insisted that I wire the money to her & then she could hand that over to the hospital..... She later resorted to saying I could send the money to the doctor. After looking at the address, I remarked, "Why is the doctor in Nigeria, when your mother is in South Africa?"
 
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On a side note, I just want to share my recent encounter with a so-called Nigerian woman, whom as some do, will ask you to marry them. As I was writing to her on Facebook, she asked me to send her money so she can help her mom. Her mom is in South Africa & she is in Nigeria. I suggested sending money directly to the hospital in South Africa. She insisted that I wire the money to her & then she could hand that over to the hospital..... She later resorted to saying I could send the money to the doctor. After looking at the address, I remarked, "Why is the doctor in Nigeria, when your mother is in South Africa?"

Joey, go outside. There are women there. They might even not try to scam you.
 
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How do I unlock these doors?
Get out and meet more people ( i.e. women ).
You need to improve your social life and widen your group of friends.

Is too easy for single guys to remain holed-up in our apts. after work and not really get out and meet people.

Understand work makes people tired, but at least try to get out on weekends, like Sunday a.m.s, and interact with more people.

When I was single in my mid-20s, my work hours seemed a hindrance, so made an effort to attend church and get involved in church singles groups.

A single guy needs to make more friends with women AND men.

I say men bec. sometimes, a guy might bring a sister, female friend, relative or work colleague to such an activity and you could find yourself asking her for a date.

Or... if this guy friend knows your difficulty meeting good Christian women, could "set you up" on a blind date with someone he thinks might be good to date.

He may know a lot about the girl and a little about you, but sometimes that can work out in a great relationship.

That's how I met my future wife.
I knew her friend in my work circles. She thought we might be a good match. We made her our Matron of Honor at the wedding.;)

So don't discount blind dates and the opportunities social interaction may present.
 
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