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You're also confused about what evolution is.
Evolution is just gradual change over time, in the case of biology, it is hereditary gradual change over time.

But "Gradual change over time" is MEANINGLESS!!

When people bring up the word "Evolution" I simply ask them THIS!!
Kind Regards JT

I guess we get to play the dishonest Darwinian game of semantics....
Before we continue...
YOU need to clarify what you mean SPECIFICALLY when you use the duplicitous and purposely vague term "Evolution"..

DO YOU MEAN..

(1)... Variation, Adaptation, Speciation or ....De-volution?.. i.e. ..Finches beaks, Cave fish going blind, Moth colors, Weak bacteria lacking enzymes targeted by antibiotics, Dog ears, Mutated fruit flies with 2 WORTHLESS extra wings, Bear coats, Dog Ears and Squirrel tails?

OR DO YOU MEAN …

(2)....Slow Microbe to Microbiologist (UCA for all flora and fauna over 3 BYs) And DONT sit there and try to assert that #1 plus "deep time" leads to #2 as I will embarrass that silly assertion all over the internet.. You will be required to put your cards on the table here....
 
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But "Gradual change over time" is MEANINGLESS!!

When people bring up the word "Evolution" I simply ask them THIS!!
Kind Regards JT

I guess we get to play the dishonest Darwinian game of semantics....
Before we continue...
YOU need to clarify what you mean SPECIFICALLY when you use the duplicitous and purposely vague term "Evolution"..

DO YOU MEAN..

(1)... Variation, Adaptation, Speciation or ....De-volution?.. i.e. ..Finches beaks, Cave fish going blind, Moth colors, Weak bacteria lacking enzymes targeted by antibiotics, Dog ears, Mutated fruit flies with 2 WORTHLESS extra wings, Bear coats, Dog Ears and Squirrel tails?

OR DO YOU MEAN …

(2)....Slow Microbe to Microbiologist (UCA for all flora and fauna over 3 BYs) And DONT sit there and try to assert that #1 plus "deep time" leads to #2 as I will embarrass that silly assertion all over the internet.. You will be required to put your cards on the table here....

I simply mean change over time. That is the definition of evolution. Evolution is not constrained to Darwinism or even biology. Technology evolves, philosophy evolves, society evolves, your own thoughts and ideas on subjects evolve. Life changes over time, so life evolves. It's not even a debate that life evolves, it does, we have clearly seen change, especially within microbiology and virology where they have rapid generations we see changes and new strains of once familiar viruses, like Coronavirus, this is a novel strain of a virus that causes common colds.
The only debate is HOW it evolves, I believe it is an act of God, a naturalist believes it happens entirely on its own without God, and strict creationists just hate the word evolution so bad because of the naturalists laying claim to it that they will want to use any other word for the same process aside from evolution, or they are completely ignorant and don't acknowledge that life changes at all.

as far as macroevolution goes I believe in somewhat of a middle ground. I believe that God created biological families, and that within those biological families they spread out, breeding after their kind. I don't believe that God created Horse, Zebra, Donkey, but rather God created the Equidae family, and from that original Equidae species we got Horse, Zebra, and Donkey, I believe that God was the ultimate cause of what made Horse from the original Equidae species it came from, but it is still breeding after their kind. A big part of the reason I believe that way rather than kind = species is because #1 some species are so closely related that they can interbreed, like Horse and Donkey can make mules, and Tigers and Lions can interbreed to make Ligers, and #2. there are over 1.3 million species that we've identified, and there may be many more that we've never encountered. That is one busting at the seams Ark. However there are only about 20000 taxonomic families. That's a lot easier to keep safe on an Ark, especially if all the marine life is not on the ark, and all the plants are not on the Ark, now you have a reasonable number of representatives aboard the Ark from which to repopulate the world.
 
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And DONT sit there and try to assert that #1 plus "deep time" leads to #2 as I will embarrass that silly assertion all over the internet.. You will be required to put your cards on the table here....


If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring (microevolution), then why would those small changes stop occurring over time before resulting in macroevolution?

Nothing we have ever seen, nor known of, has stopped those changes from occurring.
 
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If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring (microevolution), then why would those small changes stop occurring over time before resulting in macroevolution?

Nothing we have ever seen, nor known of, has stopped those changes from occurring.

"If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring (microevolution)"

The problem is, Everyone DOESNT "accept" what you call "microevolution" There is no such thing as biological evolution. It is a fairytale...

Here is a good website.... www.evolutionfairytale.com

"It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student....have now been debunked."

(Dr. Derek V. Ager, Department of Geology, Imperial College, London)
 
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I said ""If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring (microevolution)"

Are you saying that you do not accept microevoluttion?

Most Creationists accept microevolution.
 
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"If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring (microevolution)"

The problem is, Everyone DOESNT "accept" what you call "microevolution" There is no such thing as biological evolution. It is a fairytale...

Here is a good website.... www.evolutionfairytale.com

"It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student....have now been debunked."

(Dr. Derek V. Ager, Department of Geology, Imperial College, London)
Uh, dude, you can cause microevolution to occur in a matter of weeks in a lab using bacteria.
Russian scientists caused microevolution in silver foxes over the course of 50 years.
We have microevolved many differnent plant species namely our wheat (the bread we eat today is very very different from the bread that Jesus ate in His time)
To claim that life is static and does not change on a genetic level and is exactly the same today as it was 6000 years ago, is absolute foolishness and ignorant to biology, and ignorant to the creation that God made.
 
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I said ""If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring (microevolution)"

Are you saying that you do not accept microevoluttion?

Most Creationists accept microevolution.


"Are you saying that you do not accept microevoluttion?"

BINGO! "small changes in DNA" are examples of speciation, variation, adaptation or even DE-volution, The term "micro" evolution is a ruse in order to trick people into believing that "Micro Evolution" plus "Deep Time" will allow a bacteria / microbe / protista / amoeba / SCO / to S L O W L Y evolve into a human which is a "Bait and Switch" technique that is illegal in advertising but apparently legal when it comes to indoctrinating high school biology students into swallowing Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism
I would be happy to explain it further if you like...


"Most Creationists accept microevolution."

IRRELEVANT (Even IF true) Argumentum Ad Populum

BTW With all due respect to "most creationists" They have been duped into believing that variation is "micro" evolution when NOTHING Evolves... kind of like saying "Micro Pregnancies" Again, I can elaborate on this as well...


  • Hundreds of scientists who once taught their university students that the bottom line on origins had been figured out and settled are today confessing that they were completely wrong. They’ve discovered that their previous conclusions, once held so fervently, were based on very fragile evidences and suppositions which have since been refuted by new discoveries. This has necessitated a change in their basic philisophical position on origins. Others are admitting great weaknesses in Evolution theory.
    Luther D. Sutherland, - Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems,
 
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Uh, dude, you can cause microevolution to occur in a matter of weeks in a lab using bacteria.
Russian scientists caused microevolution in silver foxes over the course of 50 years.
We have microevolved many differnent plant species namely our wheat (the bread we eat today is very very different from the bread that Jesus ate in His time)
To claim that life is static and does not change on a genetic level and is exactly the same today as it was 6000 years ago, is absolute foolishness and ignorant to biology, and ignorant to the creation that God made.

"Uh, dude, you can cause microevolution to occur in a matter of weeks in a lab using bacteria.

Here is part of the problem... Using the vague and duplicitous term "microevolution" to describe what is actually VARIATION is not a scientific argument but a deceptive parlor trick...


"To claim that life is static and does not change on a genetic level and is exactly the same today as it was 6000 years ago,"

This is what is called a classic "Strawman" because NOBODY claims such a thing....

So just so I can try to understand.. According to Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism, During the course of "500 Million Years" While living in the same exact environment at the same exact time, while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans, OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into..comb Jellyfish..("Living Fossils") And you believe I am being unreasonable for pointing out the silliness of such a religious belief?

•“Micromutations do occur, but the theory that these alone can account for evolutionary change is either falsified, or else it is an unfalsifiable, hence metaphysical theory. I suppose that nobody will deny that it is a great misfortune if an entire branch of science becomes addicted to a false theory. But this is what has happened in biology: ... I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens many people will pose the question: How did this ever happen?”
S. Lovtrup, - Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth London: Croom Helm
 
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Words hold meanings, some of those meanings change naturally, some are taken by particular groups because it suits their purpose.

A word that changed naturally
'Nice'

A few centuries ago if a gentleman called a lady “nice,” she might not know whether to flutter her fan or slap his face. Nice entered English via Anglo-Norman from classical Latin nescius, meaning ignorant.
In went from meaning ignorant to luxurious to fine-mannered to agreeable

A word that was taken and it had its meaning changed on purpose.
'Gay'
Use to only mean happy and carefree, now that is still the second meaning if you check a dictionary but no one uses it even for that anymore.
Gay was taken by the gay community in the 1960's and now most people only think of the LGBT community and wouldn't use it in any other way.

Species change was happening long before the word 'evolution' was created by the Scottish geologist Sir Charles Lyell in 1832.
Conveniently it was applied to two very different things but in the majority of peoples minds it is one and the same thing and this is why I do not use the term. The average person does not distinguish between micro and macro evolution and this I believe was done on purpose, or as @jJIM THINNSEN said "Bait and Switch". Nice to see another creationist on here there are not many.

So no I do not use the loaded term 'evolution' when describing speciation, variation or adaptation because this has nothing to do with the theory that a microbe gained enough new DNA over millions of years to become a man. When I say I do not believe evolution happened this is what I am referring too. Talking about changes in silver foxes or wheat is a complete red herring because foxes are still foxes and wheat is still wheat.
 
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I simply mean change over time. That is the definition of evolution. Evolution is not constrained to Darwinism or even biology. Technology evolves, philosophy evolves, society evolves, your own thoughts and ideas on subjects evolve. Life changes over time, so life evolves. It's not even a debate that life evolves, it does, we have clearly seen change, especially within microbiology and virology where they have rapid generations we see changes and new strains of once familiar viruses, like Coronavirus, this is a novel strain of a virus that causes common colds.
The only debate is HOW it evolves, I believe it is an act of God, a naturalist believes it happens entirely on its own without God, and strict creationists just hate the word evolution so bad because of the naturalists laying claim to it that they will want to use any other word for the same process aside from evolution, or they are completely ignorant and don't acknowledge that life changes at all.

as far as macroevolution goes I believe in somewhat of a middle ground. I believe that God created biological families, and that within those biological families they spread out, breeding after their kind. I don't believe that God created Horse, Zebra, Donkey, but rather God created the Equidae family, and from that original Equidae species we got Horse, Zebra, and Donkey, I believe that God was the ultimate cause of what made Horse from the original Equidae species it came from, but it is still breeding after their kind. A big part of the reason I believe that way rather than kind = species is because #1 some species are so closely related that they can interbreed, like Horse and Donkey can make mules, and Tigers and Lions can interbreed to make Ligers, and #2. there are over 1.3 million species that we've identified, and there may be many more that we've never encountered. That is one busting at the seams Ark. However there are only about 20000 taxonomic families. That's a lot easier to keep safe on an Ark, especially if all the marine life is not on the ark, and all the plants are not on the Ark, now you have a reasonable number of representatives aboard the Ark from which to repopulate the world.


"It's not even a debate that life evolves, it does, we have clearly seen change, especially within microbiology and virology where they have rapid generations we see changes and new strains of once familiar viruses, like Coronavirus, this is a novel strain of a virus that causes common colds."


BACTERIAL RESISTANCE??

So, I’ll just debunk this nonsense. The bacterium that become resistant to the antibiotic is not the result of a mutation increasing information to the genome as Evolutionism predicts, but rather a loss of sensitivity or less fitness in another way.


This happens due to a point mutation that changes the site of the ribosome so the drug molecule cannot attach to it therefore, it prevents the drug molecule attaching to the sites of the ribosome and interfering with the making of the proteins. Any one of several changes in the attachment site on the ribosomal site is enough to spoil its match with the mycin, this means that change in any one of several DNA nucleotides in the corresponding gene can confer resistance for the bacterium.
As a result, the ribosome loses specificity of the protein. Even though resistance is gained, it's gained not by adding something, but by losing something in exchange for the resistance. Another mechanism in which the bacterium can be resistant to the drug is by sacrificing enzymes (also loses or degrades genetic information due to the loss of catalyst for biochemical reactions) that alter the drug from being active and thus making the bacterium practically less fit in some other way.
Here’s an article from nature supporting what I say about adaptation though loss-of-function mutations.
http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v14/n9/full/nrg3557.html
What about E.colI and its new ability to take citrate?.
The citric acid, tricarboxcylic acid (TCA), generates and utilizes citrate in its normal oxidative metabolism of glucose and other carbohydrates. And E.coli is normally capable of utilizing citrate as an energy source under anaerobic conditions, with a whole suite of genes involved in its fermentation.
This includes a citrate transporter gene that codes for a transporter protein embedded in the cell wall that takes citrate into the cell. This suite of genes (operon) is usually only activated under anaerobic conditions. So, an existing transporter gene, such as the one that normally takes up tartrate, which does not normally transport citrate, mutated such that it lost specificity and could then transport citrate into the cell. The transporter gene lost the ability to regulate when it was going to let the citrate inside of the cell
And at last, let me refute the lie that the darwinists feed us... which is nylon-eating bacteria.
This was also a lost of specificity similar to E.coli that happened due to a frame-shift mutation. Nylonase usually breaks down a very similar substance that is composed of multiple strings of carbon based molecules, the basic components used to make nylon come from coal and oil, which originally come from decayed carbon rich organic matter, and many molecules in living things are long strings of carbon based molecules as well, this means that with a lost of a specificity (frame-shift mutation), it could also allow nylon. This is what happened and the mutations was passed along through plasmids. In fact, Nylonase now takes different molecules that cause it to degenerate because it has lost its specificity. This is really bad for the bacterium because the ability of the enzyme to allow it to filer out the molecules that caused it to degenerate is now LOST
This is from the Journal of Biological Chemistry. “ 6-Aminohexanoate-dimer hydrolase (EII), responsible for the degradation of nylon-6 industry by-products, and its analogous enzyme (EII′) that has only ∼0.5% of the specific activity toward the 6-aminohexanoate-linear dimer, are encoded on plasmid pOAD2 of Arthrobacter sp. (formerly Flavobacterium sp.) KI72.”
X-ray Crystallographic Analysis of 6-Aminohexanoate-Dimer Hydrolase
In conclusion, ALL mutations are degradative or neutral in the genome. They do NOT add anything new function to it which is why Darwinian evolution FAILS.

"I think in fifty years, Darwinian evolution will be gone from the science curriculum...I think people will look back on it and ask how anyone could, in their right mind, have believed this, because it's so implausible when you look at the evidence."
(Dr. Johnathan Wells, author of the book, "Icons of Evolution")


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"Uh, dude, you can cause microevolution to occur in a matter of weeks in a lab using bacteria.

Here is part of the problem... Using the vague and duplicitous term "microevolution" to describe what is actually VARIATION is not a scientific argument but a deceptive parlor trick...


"To claim that life is static and does not change on a genetic level and is exactly the same today as it was 6000 years ago,"

This is what is called a classic "Strawman" because NOBODY claims such a thing....

So just so I can try to understand.. According to Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism, During the course of "500 Million Years" While living in the same exact environment at the same exact time, while SOME comb Jellyfish were evolving into Humans, OTHER comb Jellyfish were evolving into..comb Jellyfish..("Living Fossils") And you believe I am being unreasonable for pointing out the silliness of such a religious belief?

•“Micromutations do occur, but the theory that these alone can account for evolutionary change is either falsified, or else it is an unfalsifiable, hence metaphysical theory. I suppose that nobody will deny that it is a great misfortune if an entire branch of science becomes addicted to a false theory. But this is what has happened in biology: ... I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens many people will pose the question: How did this ever happen?”
S. Lovtrup, - Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth London: Croom Helm
again it comes down to the real meaning of the word evolution, vs what you really oppose which is naturalism and darwinism. They are NOT the same things.

Evolution as a word and concept of just something changing over time, has been a word in use since the 1600's, hundreds of years before Darwin.
 
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"Are you saying that you do not accept microevoluttion?"

BINGO! "small changes in DNA" are examples of speciation, variation, adaptation or even DE-volution, The term "micro" evolution is a ruse in order to trick people into believing that "Micro Evolution" plus "Deep Time" will allow a bacteria / microbe / protista / amoeba / SCO / to S L O W L Y evolve into a human which is a "Bait and Switch" technique that is illegal in advertising but apparently legal when it comes to indoctrinating high school biology students into swallowing Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism
I would be happy to explain it further if you like...


"Most Creationists accept microevolution."

IRRELEVANT (Even IF true) Argumentum Ad Populum

BTW With all due respect to "most creationists" They have been duped into believing that variation is "micro" evolution when NOTHING Evolves... kind of like saying "Micro Pregnancies" Again, I can elaborate on this as well...


  • Hundreds of scientists who once taught their university students that the bottom line on origins had been figured out and settled are today confessing that they were completely wrong. They’ve discovered that their previous conclusions, once held so fervently, were based on very fragile evidences and suppositions which have since been refuted by new discoveries. This has necessitated a change in their basic philisophical position on origins. Others are admitting great weaknesses in Evolution theory.
    Luther D. Sutherland, - Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems,

So after Noah's flood, when one cat "kind" "devolved" into 30+ cat species, you accept that small genetic changes are behind this "de evolution" right? I'm speaking of tigers, lions, leopards, lynx, sabertooths, ocelots, jaguars, mountain lions, even house cats etc.

This Wall Chart Shows Every Species in the Cat Kingdom
 
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@jJIM THINNSEN "Micromutations do occur"

There is no such thing as a micro-mutation. Either it's a mutation or it's not.

But since you have admitted that mutations occur, I'll repeat my last post:

If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring..., then why would those small changes stop occurring over time before resulting in macroevolution?

Nothing we have ever seen, nor known of, has stopped those changes from occurring.
 
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again it comes down to the real meaning of the word evolution, vs what you really oppose which is naturalism and darwinism. They are NOT the same things.

Evolution as a word and concept of just something changing over time, has been a word in use since the 1600's, hundreds of years before Darwin.



"Evolution as a word and concept of just something changing over time, has been a word in use since the 1600's, hundreds of years before Darwin."

Yeah, I get it.. Time for it to END don't you think? BTW, do you believe in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve or the worldwide flood of Noah?

evolution-happening-in-lab.jpg
 
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@jJIM THINNSEN "Micromutations do occur"

There is no such thing as a micro-mutation. Either it's a mutation or it's not.

But since you have admitted that mutations occur, I'll repeat my last post:

If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring..., then why would those small changes stop occurring over time before resulting in macroevolution?


"If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring"...,

WE ALL ACCEPT THAT THEY DO.

"then why would those small changes stop occurring over time before resulting in macroevolution?"

SMALL CHANGES PLUS DEEP TIME LEADS TO LARGE CHANGES?


Sorry, it doesn't work that way..

Even though Atheists lie and say it has been debunked, (which it hasn't,) ALL lifeforms are IRREDUCIBLY COMPLEX...

That is why I ask for, and NEVER GET, a plausible chronological evolutionary order for man's (Or ANY mammal for that matter) 10 VITAL organs.. IF a bacteria or an amoeba S L O W L Y evolved into a human (or ANY mammal) as we are told,.. there must have been an evolutionary order for our 10 VITAL organs.. Which VITAL organ evolved 1st? Heart? 2nd? Lungs? 3rd Brain? 4th? Pancreas? 5th? Skin? 6th Liver? 7th? U intestine? 8th? Stomach? 9th? L intestine? 10? Kidneys? Oh, dont forget all of the support systems and the fact that all of these organs are interlocked and ALL must be working together perfectly in tandem or we DIE. And guess what?? DEAD THINGS CANT EVOLVE!! Get the idea? So PLEASE go ahead and provide a PLAUSIBLE evolutionary order for mans 10 VITAL organs from 1 through 10.. I will even allow for Abiogenesis, Dinosaur red blood cells, Symbiotic relationships, 500 million year old "living fossils", polystrate trees, "Convergent Evolution" and all of the other "challenges" because you can bury those into the fairytale of "Long ago and far away".. miracles that you can pretend that you dont actually have to analyze using logic, reason, or critical thinking but the 10 VITAL organs is your Achilles Heel... now either provide an evolutionary ORDER for our 10 VITAL ORGANS that passes the comic book laugh test or just admit defeat as YOUR religion of Evolutionism is a hopeless fraud and you will be forced to tacitly recognize as such with your silence...… Best Wishes!! JT

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So after Noah's flood, when one cat "kind" "devolved" into 30+ cat species, you accept that small genetic changes are behind this "de evolution" right? I'm speaking of tigers, lions, leopards, lynx, sabertooths, ocelots, jaguars, mountain lions, even house cats etc.

This Wall Chart Shows Every Species in the Cat Kingdom

"So after Noah's flood, when one cat "kind" "devolved" into 30+ cat species,"

I don't know how many original Cat "kinds" that God created in the beginning..
It might have been 100 different Cat "Kinds" (Bara) God doesn't care about man
made classifications based on ignorance....

But YOU want people to believe that Jellyfish, Cockroaches Elephants Sharks and Bananas ALL came from the SAME microbial common ancestor.. That is NOT Scientific NOR is it Biblical...

Atheists LAUGH at TEs... People I coined a term for... "OVAL-EARTHERS" Yeah, you heard it here first because I invented it..... People who wish to marry Satan's Greatest Lie of Evolutionism with Gods Truth of the Bible....

HERE ARE JUST A FEW FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT.....

"The day will come when the evidence constantly accumulating around the evolutionary theory becomes so massively persuasive that even the last and most fundamental
Christian warriors will have to lay down their arms and surrender unconditionally. I believe that day will be the end of Christianity.” “The Meaning of Evolution”, American Atheist


"Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus’ earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of god.
Take away the meaning of his death. If Jesus was not the redeemer that died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing." G. Richard Bozarth,


"Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, as secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity,with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint—and Mr. Gish is but one of many to make it— the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today” (Ruse).


"The most devastating thing though that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed. If there never was an Adam and Eve there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation there is no need of a Savior. And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed. I think that evolution is absolutely the death knell of Christianity.'"""

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Adam wasn't the first man but a migrant after one of the bigger floods. As in stories all over the world collected by Frazer and explained by Oppenheimer, the earth is reappearing. A pediatric epidemiological geneticist, Oppenheimer studied the folklore of peoples with differing immunity to diseases.

The Hebrew attached the meaning of "Creation out of nothing" or out of "next to nothing", to the picture in the story.

All Scripture is nonsense without its meaning.

There is no meaning without the Scripture.

Where not many people wrote or read, lore got coded. Sometimes political and religious reformations are reflected in stories (Nimrod was doing both, according to David Rohl). Sensitive issues had to be stated obliquely and also entertainment value aids memory. In some cases like gods with upwards of 8 arms ( o_O ) iconography influenced wording (it may refer to something military).

"Adam wasn't the first man"

Claim ALL of the Atheists who WEREN'T there. LOL

Ill just stick with what God said as HE was there.. Best wishes! JT

These 2 verses describe Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism PERFECTLY.

"3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." 2 Timothy 4
 
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Adam wasn't the first man but a migrant after one of the bigger floods. As in stories all over the world collected by Frazer and explained by Oppenheimer, the earth is reappearing. A pediatric epidemiological geneticist, Oppenheimer studied the folklore of peoples with differing immunity to diseases.

The Hebrew attached the meaning of "Creation out of nothing" or out of "next to nothing", to the picture in the story.

All Scripture is nonsense without its meaning.

There is no meaning without the Scripture.

Where not many people wrote or read, lore got coded. Sometimes political and religious reformations are reflected in stories (Nimrod was doing both, according to David Rohl). Sensitive issues had to be stated obliquely and also entertainment value aids memory. In some cases like gods with upwards of 8 arms ( o_O ) iconography influenced wording (it may refer to something military).

"Adam wasn't the first man"

Claim ALL of the Atheists who WEREN'T there. LOL

Ill just stick with what God said as HE was there.. Best wishes! JT

These 2 verses describe Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism PERFECTLY.

"3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." 2 Timothy 4
 
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"Evolution as a word and concept of just something changing over time, has been a word in use since the 1600's, hundreds of years before Darwin."

Yeah, I get it.. Time for it to END don't you think? BTW, do you believe in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve or the worldwide flood of Noah?

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No, I don't think using a word with its original meaning needs to end. I think people need to stop fearing a word because of the way people try to spin it and let people claim it.
Like the "circle game" while sophomoric, is not racist but thanks to liberal media, it has become a "white supremacist" signal
Yes, I would think you'd gather when I mentioned that God created biological families rather than species and evolved them from there, for one of the reasons being because they'd fit onto the Ark better that yes I believe in the Ark having existed. I just don't stretch that belief to where the Ark contained 1.3 million species, but rather under 20,000 species representative of every "kind" which I take to mean family.
I just don't think my concept of what evolution is conflicts with the bible, it only conflicts with some people's interpretations (where kind = species to them) of the bible.
 
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" SMALL CHANGES PLUS DEEP TIME LEADS TO LARGE CHANGES? It doesnt work that way" - @jJIM THINNSEN

Actually it does work that way.

Everyone accepts mutations. Nothing to anyone's knowledge stops mutations from continuing to occur. Driving life to indefinitely change.

If everyone accepts that small changes in DNA are occurring (microevolution), then why would those small changes stop occurring over time before resulting in macroevolution?

Nothing we have ever seen, nor known of, has stopped those changes from occurring.
 
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