Why do you believe in the evolution theory? (2)

[Davian]

It helps to know what is worth discussion, arguing and debating. As I've never been much good at the latter, I have opted for discussion rather than argument.



As you choose to reply in this fashion, there is little point in going any further with it.



I did and there is a lighter version of slander, as I said I am only giving you a gentle warning.

Again, what is this impeding danger?

I realize it might mean a big change for you, to begin showing due respect for the divine attributes of the God of the Bible -- but I must remind you that you are on a Creation and Evolution forum and so showing due courtesy to the beliefs of believers here, might help you in your quest to share with them the wonderful science that is Evolution.

That is not my quest. Amazed as I am at the knowledge proffered by many individuals in this forum, I do get the impression from others that they are here only to see if their anti-scientific viewpoints can weather these discussions. I am not here for those people.

You protest too much.

Am I right, or am I right?

In the words of an old Blues singer, "Walk on, walk on ....!"

 

[Davian]

Yes, you have shown yourself to be on the side of those who mock the doctrine of the God of the Bible

No, but if someone invites ridicule in these forums, who am I not to oblige?

and his unique Son, Jesus Christ.

How preachy.

It's not going to aid you in your quest to share the wonderful science which is Evolution,

That is not my quest.

and I am sure I am not the first person to point this out to you.

You are.

I have not set such a task for myself.

I am left wondering, why the wildly disparate level of acceptance of science by people that supposedly believe the same thing.

Changes of that sort happen gradually over time. Surely you've heard that the religious evolve along with those who prefer to live without any -- in the end the tares and wheat will be gathered up together etc. etc.

No, I cannot say that I have.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

No, but if someone invites ridicule in these forums, who am I not to oblige?

I know that it's hard not to do it, but surely one fans the flames higher by doing it?

I am left wondering, why the wildly disparate level of acceptance of science by people that supposedly believe the same thing.

Yet another fool's errand.

“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Again, what is this impeding danger?

If you are truly ignorant of the warnings in the Christian sacred texts about these matters, then it might be wise for you (without any assistance from me) to familiarize yourself with what is expected from us -- in as much as our attitude towards the God of the Bible. I will not do this for you, in much the same way that one cannot force a person to expect the wonderful science which is Evolution. It's something they must do of their own cognizance. It will happen when a person is ready, and open to learning the truth. Surely, you know this.

That is not my quest. Amazed as I am at the knowledge proffered by many individuals in this forum, I do get the impression from others that they are here only to see if their anti-scientific viewpoints can weather these discussions. I am not here for those people.

Am I right, or am I right?

I would think that you might be here for people such as I, who are willing to learn all about the wonderful science which is Evolution. Am I right, or am I right?

 

[Davian]

I know that it's hard not to do it, but surely one fans the flames higher by doing it?

Or, extinguishes them.

Yet another fool's errand.

I agree, but ignoring the elephant in the room does not get rid of it.

“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

So you claim. I have no idea what that even means, or how you would demonstrate it.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

True that.

But the sacred texts are a powerful tool for demonization/dehumanizing the enemy. They're basically a "get out of jail free" card for our morality/immorality, not a good thing considering man's basic nature.

I agree. Blindly following every word without question, is where most of the problems come from. I wish more people were born first by the Spirit and then read the sacred texts, for it might have stopped a lot of the madness that has resulted from daft cherry-picking to justify so many wrongs.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I don't know what religious texts Karen was reading, but the bible certainly wasn't one of them.

Then according to the Christians sacred texts, what is the most important command?

 

[Davian]

If you are truly ignorant of the warnings in the Christian sacred texts about these matters, then it might be wise for you (without any assistance from me) to familiarize yourself with what is expected from us -- in as much as our attitude towards the God of the Bible. I will not do this for you, in much the same way that one cannot force a person to expect the wonderful science which is Evolution. It's something they must do of their own cognizance.

I have heard many and widely different interpretations of what may allegedly happen to those that do not adhere to this or that particular interpretation of the bible, and/or disbelieve (as if belief is a choice).

Answer me this: how concerned are you about whether you are on Santa's naughty or nice side of his list?

It will happen when a person is ready, and open to learning the truth. Surely, you know this.

By "truth" in this context, do you mean your religious opinion?

I would think that you might be here for people such as I, who are willing to learn all about the wonderful science which is Evolution. Am I right, or am I right?

I would not consider someone that asserts their religious opinion as truth to be 'willing to learn'.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Or, extinguishes them.

Did you say distinguish?

I agree, but ignoring the elephant in the room does not get rid of it.

As a Christian, I know that such problems are trivial when Aslan is already ruling that house.

So you claim. I have no idea what that even means, or how you would demonstrate it.

Does it matter, now that I know you are on a very different quest -- whatever that is?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

You mean if there is a higher power it isn't interested in being sought out and worshipped? It is only interested in us treating each other as we would like to be treated ourselves? What good would that be to creationists?

It's certainly appears to me, that this was the way that Jesus thought.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I have to note that you used the plural "gods".

Sure, this law/rule/reed etc, isn't just something the God of the Bible taught. It's an ancient one, predating the Christian sacred texts.

 

[Davian]

Did you say distinguish?

lol, no.

As a Christian, I know that such problems are trivial when Aslan is already ruling that house.

Ignore it if you like, but from over here I can see that you are in serious need of a shovel.

Does it matter, now that I know you are on a very different quest -- whatever that is?

Exploring reality.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I have heard many and widely different interpretations of what may allegedly happen to those that do not adhere to this or that particular interpretation of the bible, and/or disbelieve (as if belief is a choice).

What do you suppose this means:

Answer me this: how concerned are you about whether you are on Santa's naughty or nice side of his list?

I spent many years not being sure, but after making a point of finding out -- I am a lot happier knowing that I am loved.

By "truth" in this context, do you mean your religious opinion?

No, I was referring to the truth of science -- particularly Evolution.

I would not consider someone that asserts their religious opinion as truth to be 'willing to learn'.

Then you have much to learn about the complexities of the evolving mind of Spirit filled believers. It's a handful mate!

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Exploring reality.

It's a good place to begin, but once you've finished doing that -- what's next?

 

[dad]

The sacred texts of the tribe have been/and continue to be employed as a mandate for bloodshed. Add to that the frightening fact that we are a race of beings, seem to be inclined to blood lust.

= sin

The sacred texts may be employed as a mandate for bloodshed, but bloodshed seems to occur without them too.

No. They may not.

No matter if we have evolved over millions of years, it seems the one thing which we have not evolved and that is a sense that such acts are no longer a part of how we deal with our neighbors.

The only evolving has been since Adam. Not that long ago. That has nothing to do with the fallen state of man...sin does.

To read the sacred texts the way Jesus read them, might be our redemption -- but who has time to consider that obedience to the first command (and the one like it) might be the key to moving forward to the next stage of our evolution as a species?

Why respect evolution ( as if man will evolve beyond the coming of Christ or has evolved before creation?) and pretend it has credence?

 

[dad]

True that.

But the sacred texts are a powerful tool for demonization/dehumanizing the enemy. They're basically a "get out of jail free" card for our morality/immorality, not a good thing considering man's basic nature.

Not at all, except in some shallow superficial way that anyone who loved God and His word ought to easily see through.

 

[dad]

Yet when we look at the big picture of religion, much like what Karen Armstrong did in her wee book "12 Steps to Compassion" we see that the basic truth of what the gods want from us, is not sacrifice but simple obedience to the higher function of our evolved sense of what makes for a more loving world.

No. The gods want your soul and worship. They want obedience. Only God sets us free from all that.

 

[dad]

You mean if there is a higher power it isn't interested in being sought out and worshipped? It is only interested in us treating each other as we would like to be treated ourselves? What good would that be to creationists?

To love God with all our being is the great commandment.

 

[dad]

I just knew someone would take me seriously.

The debates on evolution vs creation serves no useful purpose. Many people are going to hold to their particular beliefs no matter what the is proven to be true. As a Christian I don't need to hold to young earth creation beliefs because it has no effect on my relationship with God. Science can not prove evolution, what they can prove is that mankind has been around for a very long time.

Maybe the focus should be on how we live our lives and how we deal with our fellow man.

We will live differently when we know God was not a con artist or dead or sick, and that He really did what He said.

 

[dad]

Sure, this law/rule/reed etc, isn't just something the God of the Bible taught. It's an ancient one, predating the Christian sacred texts.

There are gods, but they are demons. From the beginning God created the heaven and earth and there is no other God but Him.