Why do YECs believe the universe is only about 6000 years old?

[Smilin]

Originally posted by seesaw
So you believe the earth is young cause of what the bible says.

  The Bible doesn't give the age of the earth...sorrryyyyyyy

 

[Smilin]

Good Luck with your thread Sinai...I've asked the same questions.

 

[Sinai]

Originally posted by Smilin
Good Luck with your thread Sinai...I've asked the same questions.

Thank you.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Sinai
Thank you.

And you may have already noticed the same things I did with my posts & polls....THEY FAIL to rush in to defend their beliefs.

 

How Sad....

 

[Sinai]

Originally posted by Smilin
And you may have already noticed the same things I did with my posts & polls....THEY FAIL to rush in to defend their beliefs.

 

How Sad....

But I am not asking them to defend their beliefs. Since I am attempting to understand the basis for their belief, I am merely asking them to state their reasons for believing as they do; in other words, what is it (whether scripture, scientific evidence, or something else) that has caused them to conclude that the universe is only about 6000 years old.....

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by Sinai
But I am not asking them to defend their beliefs. Since I am attempting to understand the basis for their belief, I am merely asking them to state their reasons for believing as they do; in other words, what is it (whether scripture, scientific evidence, or something else) that has caused them to conclude that the universe is only about 6000 years old.....

Good luck on that one too...I've asked the same question MANY times...with not much luck.

My conclusion:  They believe it...yet don't know why.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by Smilin
Good luck on that one too...I've asked the same question MANY times...with not much luck.

My conclusion:  They believe it...yet don't know why.

I asked a similar question about why some creationists believe the world is 6000 - 10000 years (in other words, why the variance).

Different people gave different answers, and had different reasoning for those answers.

If anything, it confirmed to me that trying to determine the age of the Earth based on just Scripture is inadequate.

 

[Sinai]

This thread has been around a little over a week.  During that time no young earth creationist has explained why he (or she) believes the universe is only about 6,000 years old, although one did respond to say that he thought the earth was young (but was not sure how young or precisely why he thought it was).

Surely there must be some young earth creationists who has at least some idea as to why they think the universe is only about 6000 years old!  Again, I am not asking you to prove your theory or to even give any scientific data supporting your belief.  Scriptural evidence is sufficient for a response. 

So let's try this again.  Attention all young earth creationists:

 I would like to give you a full and fair opportunity to present your side of the story, and to tell everyone precisely WHY you believe the universe is only about 6000 years old. Please observe the following points:

1. This thread deals with the age of the universe--not the age of the earth or life on the earth (or whether evolution occurred).

2. If you think that the weight of scientific evidence requires you to believe the universe is only about 6000 years old, please cite the evidence upon which you are relying.

3. If you think biblical scriptures require you to believe the universe is only about 6000 years old, please cite the scriptural reference. If the reference could be interpreted in a manner other than the way you interpret it, it would probably also help if you state why you think your interpretation is more likely than the other interpretation(s).

4. If the reason you believe the universe is only about 6000 years old is because that is what you read on a website, please cite the website, the author, and what was said there. Similarly, if it is because of a book, please cite the book (and page, if possible). Or if it is because that is what someone you respect told you, please tell who that person is.

Thank you!

 

[John MacNeil]

Hey, Sinai, I've encountered a similar kind of recalcitrance from the believers in evolution in the "EVOLUTION??" thread. I keep tying to get them to explain their idea of how Cro-Magnon humans evolved from Neanderthals or however they believed they evolved. I've gotten no scientific answers yet, as you've gotten no young earth creation answers. Maybe I should start a thread that compares commonalities between believers in theory when they have no physical evidence.

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by Smilin
  The Bible doesn't give the age of the earth...sorrryyyyyyy

Opps...sorry I didn't mean it like that. Dang I hate that sometimes I can never say what I want to say I need help.

I meant that the bible gives dates (I think I can't remember) that some people take literally.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Sinai
3. If you think biblical scriptures require you to believe the universe is only about 6000 years old, please cite the scriptural reference.
Thank you! [/B]

Man as we know him now, was formed around 6000 years ago. The Jewish calander puts it at 5762 years ago. But Adam, Eve, & the Garden of Eden are not a part of creation.

Genesis 2:7  And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

They were formed out of the ground or from creation. But they became living soul's. Before Adam and Eve there could have been monkeys, or cavemen or whatever, but they were not living souls as Adam and Eve were. Science calls them hunter gathers. Adam and Eve they would refer to as food producers.

The question is the universe 13 days old or 15 billion years old: The answer is both. They're both happening at the same time. That's the legacy of Albert Einstein. It so happens there literally billions of locations in the universe, where if you could put a clock at that location, it would tick so slowly, that from our perspective (if we could last that long) 15 billion years would go by... but the clock at that remote location would tick out six days. Nobody disputes this data.

http://www.windowview.org/science/schrdr/bigbang.gs.html

 

[lithium.]

Man as we know him now, was formed around 6000 years ago. The Jewish calander puts it at 5762 years ago.

The modern humans first appear at around 35,000-40,000 years ago. So I still don't get the 6000 years thing.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by seesaw
The modern humans first appear at around 35,000-40,000 years ago. So I still don't get the 6000 years thing.

How long has there been written language?

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by JohnR7
How long has there been written language?

Not really sure, but there is cave writings that does back more than 6000 years old.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by seesaw
Not really sure, but there is cave writings that does back more than 6000 years old.

Often that cave writing thing turns out to be a fraud. One guy said the cave painting were 35,000 years old and it turned out they were only two or three hundred years old.

According to the Bible, the earth was created in a 6 day period of time. The history of man is about 6 days. Moses seems to break it down into two different parts.

Deut. 32:7
    "Remember the days of old,
    Consider the years of many generations.
    Ask your father, and he will show you;
    Your elders, and they will tell you:

He says you can remember the days of old, the record of creation. OR you can look at the generations or the genologys. God does not leave us just one record, He always gives us two testimonys. They always agree with each other.

The history of creation breaks down into 6 periods of time. Every scientist can tell you that. Just like the histrory of man as we know him now adds up to 6000 years. Sometimes science will say up to 12,000 years is recorded history, but the Bible says 6000.

Also, the oldest tree is about 5800 years old. Again this is the oldest recorded history. Some people claim you can use over laping tree ring history to go back 12000 years. But there is nothing alive today that is over 6000 years old.

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Often that cave writing thing turns out to be a fraud. One guy said the cave painting were 35,000 years old and it turned out they were only two or three hundred years old.

According to the Bible, the earth was created in a 6 day period of time. The history of man is about 6 days. Moses seems to break it down into two different parts.

Deut. 32:7
    "Remember the days of old,
    Consider the years of many generations.
    Ask your father, and he will show you;
    Your elders, and they will tell you:

He says you can remember the days of old, the record of creation. OR you can look at the generations or the genologys. God does not leave us just one record, He always gives us two testimonys. They always agree with each other.

The history of creation breaks down into 6 periods of time. Every scientist can tell you that. Just like the histrory of man as we know him now adds up to 6000 years. Sometimes science will say up to 12,000 years is recorded history, but the Bible says 6000.

Also, the oldest tree is about 5800 years old. Again this is the oldest recorded history. Some people claim you can use over laping tree ring history to go back 12000 years. But there is nothing alive today that is over 6000 years old.

I still don't understand since you say that the cave writings are almost always a fraud and yet I have learned in school that there is alot of cave writing that turn out to be more than 6000 years old and are real. Now I learned to trust what I learn in school and in science so how could the world be 6000 yrs old and dating turns out to be more than 6000 yrs old. Sorry but not all datings is wrong. And almost all the datings are the same.

Yet I will never understand why there is people that believe the world is 6000 yrs old and all the evidence says something else. But I don't know some one help me here.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by seesaw
How do you know its the word of god HUH. Only cause the bible says so. You really don't know its just a book like any other book IMO.

Moses wrote what he did around 3500 years ago. Many people over the years, including people like Plato, have tried to prove that it is not true. After all these years a whole new generation of people is coming along, to try and prove the Bible is not true.

You would think by now, sense so many people have tried to prove the Bible wrong and have failed. That any logical person would just conclude it is true. The problem is, they just know nothing about theology. They may have a phd in science, but their knowledge of the Bible would not even be on a 6 th graders level.  Darwin had a good working knowledge of the Bible so his attempt has held up longer. He still failed to prove the Bible wrong though.

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Moses wrote what he did around 3500 years ago. Many people over the years, including people like Plato, have tried to prove that it is not true. After all these years a whole new generation of people is coming along, to try and prove the Bible is not true.

You would think by now, sense so many people have tried to prove the Bible wrong and have failed. That any logical person would just conclude it is true. The problem is, they just know nothing about theology. They may have a phd in science, but their knowledge of the Bible would not even be on a 6 th graders level.  Darwin had a good working knowledge of the Bible so his attempt has held up longer. He still failed to prove the Bible wrong though.

You don't understand I don't think the bible isn't true just the supernatural stuff (god and all the things that are impossible).

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by seesaw
Yet I will never understand why there is people that believe the world is 6000 yrs old and all the evidence says something else. But I don't know some one help me here.

Because you do not want to understand. The 6000 years is the history of mankind as we now know mankind. There are two accounts in the Bible. The age of creation and the history of man.

There will always be a correlation between what the Bible says and the figures science comes up with. Einstein explains this with his theory of relativity. Time is relative. The earth can be 12,762 years old and it can be 4.5 billion years old at the same time. It depends on how you measure time, and where the clock is that you measure time with.

Your mind just can not seem to grasp that both accounts can be true. The earth can be 12,000 plus years old and it can be 4.5 billion years old at the same time. They can both be true.  

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Because you do not want to understand. The 6000 years is the history of mankind as we now know mankind. There are two accounts in the Bible. The age of creation and the history of man.

There will always be a correlation between what the Bible says and the figures science comes up with. Einstein explains this with his theory of relativity. Time is relative. The earth can be 12,762 years old and it can be 4.5 billion years old at the same time. It depends on how you measure time, and where the clock is that you measure time with.

Your mind just can not seem to grasp that both accounts can be true. The earth can be 12,000 plus years old and it can be 4.5 billion years old at the same time. They can both be true.  

Yeah they both can be true, but not the way YEC believe they believe that everything the universe the world is 6000 yrs old and no 4.5 billion. And thats not what the evidence shows.

And btw look on google for oldest cave paintings here is one link.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,384670,00.html