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Why do YE Creationists insist on a simplistic literal reading of the bible?

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Ok, believe in evolution if you like, I believe in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

HOW were they created?
What were the processes (geological and biological) involved in creation?
I have faith that they were created too,but I look to science to help me understand how it happened.
That adds to the grandeur of it all.
With all of the evidence pointing to a slow and gradual formation of everything in existence,I can not believe that it was magically "POOFED"into existence.
 
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HOW were they created?
What were the processes (geological and biological) involved in creation?
I have faith that they were created too,but I look to science to help me understand how it happened.
That adds to the grandeur of it all.
With all of the evidence pointing to a slow and gradual formation of everything in existence,I can not believe that it was magically "POOFED"into existence.

:thumbsup:. You've nailed it! Science is the study of creation.
 
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You don't have to "believe" to understand evolution.....you just have to look, listen and learn.......

Of course, there's no reason God couldn't have created the heavens and Earth, and used evolution as a tool to create life -- many Christians have no difficulty with that.
 
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....says a Christian.........and a Muslim says that the "truth" is something else.....and a Hindu, something else......

And, as Loudmouth indicates, NONE have more authority than any of the others....
Micah 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
 
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Of course, there's no reason God couldn't have created the heavens and Earth, and used evolution as a tool to create life -- many Christians have no difficulty with that.
Until they have to explain such concepts as: being made in the image & likeness of God and original sin/sin nature.
 
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I have faith that they were created too,but I look to science to help me understand how it happened.
That adds to the grandeur of it all.
With all of the evidence pointing to a slow and gradual formation of everything in existence,I can not believe that it was magically "POOFED"into existence.
So you believe in nine commandments? Certainly you cannot believe in ten, because the fourth, by your standards, is a lie.

With how many of the other 333 miracles do you look to science for the answer? Has science figured out how Jesus walked on the water yet, turned water to wine, raised the dead and cast out demons?
 
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Of course, there's no reason God couldn't have created the heavens and Earth, and used evolution as a tool to create life -- many Christians have no difficulty with that.
There are reasons. Among them are the Fourth Commandment, the first three chapters of Genesis, the genealogies of the Bible, and the great Flood with which Christ mentions Noah by name. Clearly Christ, who IS GOD, would know if all these stories were false.
 
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There are reasons. Among them are the Fourth Commandment, the first three chapters of Genesis, the genealogies of the Bible, and the great Flood with which Christ mentions Noah by name. Clearly Christ, who IS GOD, would know if all these stories were false.
This is a good point you make here.

Also, we teach that no names are mentioned in parables.

If so, then it is not a parable.

The creation account was not a parable, since it mentions Adam & Eve.
 
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This is a good point you make here.

Also, we teach that no names are mentioned in parables.

If so, then it is not a parable.


It is metaphor, not a parable.

The creation account was not a parable, since it mentions Adam & Eve.

Yes, it mentions, "mankind", and "source of life." Hardly proper names in this context.
 
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This is a good point you make here.

Also, we teach that no names are mentioned in parables.

If so, then it is not a parable.

The creation account was not a parable, since it mentions Adam & Eve.

Isn't the story of Lazarus and the rich man generally believed to be a parable?
 
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The main truth is that salvation and eternal life can only be given to a person from Jesus. Only Christianity has that in a risen savior, Jesus Christ.

As far as christian theology goes, that is entirely correct. In fact, the Nicene Creed does not even require a belief in a literal Genesis, a young Earth, or separately created species. At the beginnings of what became christianity they did not feel it important to make young earth creationism a fundamental aspect of christianity.
 
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Isn't the story of Lazarus and the rich man generally believed to be a parable?

According to Jehovah's Witnesses maybe. Jesus used real names of real people in that story. Jesus would not have to make up any story or tell a half truth. That would be like lying.
 
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses maybe. Jesus used real names of real people in that story. Jesus would not have to make up any story or tell a half truth. That would be like lying.

He used one real name. And it wouldn't be like lying, just because a story has a person with a real name doesn't mean it's supposed to be a true story. And JWs aren't the only ones who regard it as a parable; a cursory search on Google showed me quite a few sources that regard it as a parable, and if you want I could produce them - they're not all Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
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Nobody disputed it.

Completely false. Even at the birth of christianity there were serious questions as to the antiquity of the Earth. Saint of Augistine of Hippo had this to say in his Genesis commentary from the 5th century AD:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.
Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking non-sense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.
The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.
If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?
Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although “they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”
St. Augustine on Creationism | The Sensuous Curmudgeon
 
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Nobody disputed it.

Ah, Loudmouth beat me to it. I'll add in this, though.

Origen and the School of Alexandria also held similar beliefs, all the way back to the 3rd century, way before the original Nicene Creed of 325.

For who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars? And that the first day was, as it were, also without a sky? And who is so foolish as to suppose that God, after the manner of a husbandman, planted a paradise in Eden, towards the east, and placed in it a tree of life, visible and palpable, so that one tasting of the fruit by the bodily teeth obtained life? And again, that one was a partaker of good and evil by masticating what was taken from the tree? And if God is said to walk in the paradise in the evening, and Adam to hide himself under a tree, I do not suppose that anyone doubts that these things figuratively indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance, and not literally

It's been in dispute, and it's been in dispute for a long time.
 
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