Why do YE Creationists insist on a simplistic literal reading of the bible?

[Theodor1]

Christians don't know what they believe......

Perhaps you do not know what they believe, that does not mean they do not know what they believe.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

But we all believe:

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD

So if you want to use variety to pwn Christianity, we'll use agreement to pwn Atheism.

How's that?

That sounds fare.

 

[Theodor1]

we'll use agreement to pwn Atheism.

Atheism is based on a what they do not believe. It is very common for them to claim that others are like them and also do not believe. There does seem to be a huge amount of common ground where christians believe the same. If you want to go by where people do not agree then evolution will bite the dust because there is a lot that they do not agree on.

 

[AV1611VET]

That sounds fare.

 

[CabVet]

Atheism is based on a what they do not believe. It is very common for them to claim that others are like them and also do not believe.

Do you believe in Zeus?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you believe in Zeus?

Yes ... why?

 

[biggles53]

Perhaps you do not know what they believe, that does not mean they do not know what they believe.

Which ones...? Which sect...?? There are Christians that believe in the virgin birth and those that don't. Those that do and don't recognise the divinity of Jesus. Those that do and don't take a literal reading of the scriptures...

Listen sport, when you can find 3 Christians who can agree amongst themselves what their belief means, you can come and tell me again that I don't know what they believe...!!

 

[biggles53]

Atheism is based on a what they do not believe.

Since the word literally means "absent a belief in gods" you've pretty much just stated the obvious....

It is very common for them to claim that others are like them and also do not believe.

Again, because there is more than one atheist in the world, you are doing no more than stating what is patently evident...

Are you going for some kind of record here...?

There does seem to be a huge amount of common ground where christians believe the same

.

So....that would be why there are more than 30,000 DIFFERENT sects....? Because you all AGREE so much...??

If you want to go by where people do not agree then evolution will bite the dust because there is a lot that they do not agree on.

Now, I'm betting that made sense to you when you typed it......right..?

 

[AV1611VET]

Listen sport, when you can find 3 Christians who can agree amongst themselves what their belief means, you can come and tell me again that I don't know what they believe...!!

What do you do with the things we do believe though?

Such as:

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD

I contend you ignore it -- yet you seem to be taking what we are at variance with as some kind of viable argument against our beliefs.

We don't all agree on what kind of automobile is the best automobile; but we all agree we need a license to drive one.

Using your logic, it looks like we should all stop driving.

 

[biggles53]

What do you do with the things we do believe though?

Such as:

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD

I contend you ignore it -- yet you seem to be taking what we are at variance with as some kind of viable argument against our beliefs.

We don't all agree on what kind of automobile is the best automobile; but we all agree we need a license to drive one.

Using your logic, it looks like we should all stop driving.

What a joke....Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs would ALL share that belief...

Means nothing....

 

[bhsmte]

They mock and attack Christians, but they do not know what Christians believe, so they can not attack their beliefs. They think they know, but they really don't. They spend to much time learning about Christianity from people that know nothing at all about it. They simply can not "rightly divide[FONT=arial, sans-serif] the [/FONT]word of truth".

You are making quite a few assumptions.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Christians don't know what they believe......evidence the 30,000 different variants, ALL claiming to know the 'Truth'..#!#/quote#

There are 30,001 variants, the last one is mine. Here's how the first verses should be presented.

In The Beginning God Created The Heaven And The Earth.


And then the earth became a chaotic wasteland; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

And then the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Verse One is a standalone statement that describes the beginning of everything that we know to exist in the material universe. Verse Two is describes the result of something that happened subsequent to the original perfect creation.

The rest is.......history.

 

[Loudmouth]

But we all believe:

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD

So if you want to use variety to pwn Christianity, we'll use agreement to pwn Atheism.

How's that?

Atheism doesn't claim to hold an absolute truth that came from a deity, or from anywhere. Atheism is just skepticism.

 

[Loudmouth]

They mock and attack Christians, but they do not know what Christians believe, so they can not attack their beliefs.

We have christians in this very thread stating that they believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis including the creation over 6 days some 6,000 years ago and a global flood about 4,000 years ago. The real question is why they insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis when the facts found in the Creation itself demonstrate that a literal interpretation can not be correct.

 

[Phred]

What do you do with the things we do believe though?

Such as:

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD

I contend you ignore it -- yet you seem to be taking what we are at variance with as some kind of viable argument against our beliefs.

We don't all agree on what kind of automobile is the best automobile; but we all agree we need a license to drive one.

Using your logic, it looks like we should all stop driving.

I would contend that you are mistaken. About everything. You are unable to utter the words, "I don't know." From that stems a tide of ignorance cloaked in faith. But you also refuse to consistently say, "I believe" because you don't wish to appear fallible. So you say, "I KNOW." But you don't know. As has been pointed out the Bible is a storybook and you are interpreting what you think it says. No two people manage to find the same interpretation. So while you convene on the 40,000 ft view you are nowhere close on the 10,000 ft view. Even the statement, "In the beginning, God." Well, you don't know if there was a beginning or not, if what you think was a beginning was one of many or just one, whether it was the beginning of this universe or the beginning of all existence. You don't know. You may not even know what the heck I mean by what I just said. And you also don't know if your deity exists or not. If it does exist what form it takes.

You don't know and you are too vain to admit it.

So your entire statement could be meaningless. The entire Bible could be the efforts of a tribe to document its achievements and to make its god look bigger and badder than the other tribes gods. YHWH used to be a storm god who was promoted. Where is that in all your biblical understanding? There used to be a female counterpart to YHWH. Also lost to time. And to the Bible.

You don't know. What you think you know you believe to be true. If you lived someplace else you'd likely believe something else. That doesn't lend the belief you hold today any real credibility.

 

[Phred]

But we all believe:

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD

So if you want to use variety to pwn Christianity, we'll use agreement to pwn Atheism.

How's that?

And what does this prove exactly? You all agree on what? A statement that may or may not hold any truth? That a deity may or may not have done anything but you know when? It's nonsense...

And since atheism makes no claims there's nothing to own. Christianity makes the claims and atheists simply don't believe them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Atheism doesn't claim to hold an absolute truth that came from a deity, or from anywhere. Atheism is just skepticism.

In my opinion, if a person is going to shun Christianity ... in any of its 30,000 varieties ... because of said varieties, then that person should also shun atheism ... in any of its varieties ... because the aforementioned 30,000 varieties' unity over believing in God in Genesis 1:1.

And if Atheism is nothing more than skepticism in disguise, then according to their own logic, an Atheist has no business being skeptical about God.

In my opinion.

 

[AV1611VET]

We have christians in this very thread stating that they believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis including the creation over 6 days some 6,000 years ago and a global flood about 4,000 years ago. The real question is why they insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis when the facts found in the Creation itself demonstrate that a literal interpretation can not be correct.

But those "facts" are based on scientific methodists mistaking miracles for magic.

Calling the earth coming into existence before the sun "magic" will, in my opinion, definitely lead to a misunderstanding of how the events of Genesis 1 transpired outside of natural causes.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't know.

I don't need to know, since "knowing" isn't what's on trial here -- unity is.

If a man in a bus station buys a ticket to Santa Fe, and thirty thousand people can't agree on what he was wearing, but all thirty thousand agree he bought a ticket to Santa Fe; is it appropriate for someone to say he is just a figment of someone's imagination, based on the disagreements as to what he was wearing?

 

[AV1611VET]

And since atheism makes no claims there's nothing to own. Christianity makes the claims and atheists simply don't believe them.

If Atheists don't want to believe in God, that's their prerogative.

But don't blame it on thirty thousand Christian sects.

God is not going to accept that at their judgment, and neither should we.