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Why do we consistently misuse / overuse the word “anointing”?

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For many years I felt (actually, I was made to feel) like I didn’t have the goods because I didn’t jump and shout. I actually felt like being a Pentecostal meant that I had to be outwardly exuberant and I always felt like a misfit because I didn’t react to a service like the jumpers and shouters did. I can see now that it was an unnecessary obstacle to growing in Christ that some more exuberant people placed in my path and now I accept who I am. Jumpers and shouters do not have to be like me and I do not have to be like them. There’s room in the kingdom for all of us.

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Jim M said:
Then there are people like me who do not get all emotionally charged at anything, at least not like what you describe. I am a pretty low-key person in that respect. To look at me on the outside you would never know what was going on inside. My only expression of emotion is weeping (not the manliest expression, I know) but as far as the other stuff, it just ain’t me. A holy-roller I ain’t.

Is there a place for my kind of person at a P/C meeting?

~Jim
Absolutely Jim. I am a very low-key person also. I ain't the one screaming at the baseball game. I'm the one quietly eating my hot dog and enjoying a soft drink while everyone else is screaming like a maniac. Likewise, I am not the one at church to be the "holly-roller". But neither do I discount the ones that are excitable or "holly-rollers". We're all different and we all express our emotions differently. As I've said, emotinalism != anointing, but when the anointing is present, some people may (or may not) get emotional.
 
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I suppose that our favorite sports team could win the big game even if there weren't thousands of screaming fans in the stands also, but then we tend to show our emotions in the things we enjoy.

I wonder then why when if no one has a problem with getting excited about the last touchdown why we have a problem if someone gets excited about what God is doing. Certainly God is more exciting than our team winning the big game. Maybe the person is just overcome with the presence of God and doesn't know how else to express it.

While I realize that there mose definitely are abuses of this, I don't think it's a good idea to use a genrealization to paint everyone as some kind of crazy holy roller. It could be that they are just excited about the presence of God.

I don't know about you, but I don't get excited by a bunch of dudes(or dudettes)running around with a ball/bat/stick. . Why people get excited THAT about sports is beyond me.
 
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Jim M said:
And where does this idea come from? According to the New Testament, all believers are “anointed”, at least according to the only two scriptures in the NT that talk about the anointing of believers:
2 Corinthians 1:21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God.

1 John 2:20, 27 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. . . . But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

The view you offer is a purely extra-biblical view of “the anointing” that has arisen in P/C circles. It is not supported by the Word.

If you can find me a scripture that says otherwise, I will gladly consider it.

~Jim



I can't, but please consider this question: Do you believe that God sets aside carnal believers, who are not in a consecratory state, for his holy use? There are all kinds of believers. There are some who have only their salvation and have no relationship whatsoever. They may be filled with arrogance, pride and jealousy.
Do you believe that those people are anointed by God at THAT STAGE IN THEIR LIFE? Or, is he waiting for them to come around?
 
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Jim M said:
For many years I felt (actually, I was made to feel) like I didn’t have the goods because I didn’t jump and shout. I actually felt like being a Pentecostal meant that I had to be outwardly exuberant and I always felt like a misfit because I didn’t react to a service like the jumpers and shouters did. I can see now that it was an unnecessary obstacle to growing in Christ that some more exuberant people placed in my path and now I accept who I am. Jumpers and shouters do not have to be like me and I do not have to be like them. There’s room in the kingdom for all of us.

~Jim


Exactly. I don't get excited about much.I love Jesus just as much as a Holy Cartwheeler.
 
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Jim M said:
So, I wonder what God thinks when we consistently misuse the terms He gave us in His Word and willfully add our own definitions to them?

What do you think?

~Jim

I wouldn't say that He gave us terms . They were already defined . I look at it as using inside catch-phrases . They make things seem "holy" for some reason . I consider them silly but people are people . :)
 
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qh93536 said:
I can't, but please consider this question: Do you believe that God sets aside carnal believers, who are not in a consecratory state, for his holy use? There are all kinds of believers. There are some who have only their salvation and have no relationship whatsoever. They may be filled with arrogance, pride and jealousy.
Do you believe that those people are anointed by God at THAT STAGE IN THEIR LIFE? Or, is he waiting for them to come around?
I believe so... I know people who have no relationship but are in it mainly for "fire insurance", but they are incredibly anointed. It's their choice to step out in that anointing or not.
 
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qh93536 said:
I can't, but please consider this question: Do you believe that God sets aside carnal believers, who are not in a consecratory state, for his holy use? There are all kinds of believers. There are some who have only their salvation and have no relationship whatsoever. They may be filled with arrogance, pride and jealousy.
Do you believe that those people are anointed by God at THAT STAGE IN THEIR LIFE? Or, is he waiting for them to come around?
Yes, I think what God often does is chooses the less than “consecratory” people through which to demonstrate His wisdom and power.

Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 1.26-31

~Jim

 
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qh93536 said:
I can't, but please consider this question: Do you believe that God sets aside carnal believers, who are not in a consecratory state, for his holy use? There are all kinds of believers. There are some who have only their salvation and have no relationship whatsoever. They may be filled with arrogance, pride and jealousy.
Do you believe that those people are anointed by God at THAT STAGE IN THEIR LIFE? Or, is he waiting for them to come around?

This is an interesting question. "Does God set aside carnal believers, who are not in a consecratory state, for His holy use?"

Ask Abraham (liar)
Ask Moses. (murderer, disobeyed God)
Ask David. (adulter, murderer, peeping tom...etc.)
Ask Paul

Ask me. (too many to list here).

Danny
 
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FireOfGod said:
I believe so... I know people who have no relationship but are in it mainly for "fire insurance", but they are incredibly anointed. It's their choice to step out in that anointing or not.

^_^ You actually used the word "annointing" in this thread!!

=))

Danny
 
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Jim M said:
But you are anointed, Danny. All Christians are the anointed.

~Jim

I actually agree with that statement; however, in the context that it (the word "annointed") was used indicated some sort of "special" blessing or favor with God.

I'm just humbled that God even knows my name, much less thinks any higher of me than anyone else.

Danny
 
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Jim M said:
Yes, I think what God often does is chooses the less than “consecratory” people through which to demonstrate His wisdom and power.

Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 1.26-31

~Jim


I see what you mean. As soon as God chooses someone, the consecration starts. The anointing does not come at the beginning of the consecration, but at the end of it.
 
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BenAdam said:
You know Jim when I think of anointing, I think of David. He was anointed by Samuel as King. The anointing was like a seal showing David was King, not a hyperemotional moment.
:thumbsup: Amen...
 
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qh93536 said:
I see what you mean. As soon as God chooses someone, the consecration starts. The anointing does not come at the beginning of the consecration, but at the end of it.
No, I am not saying this at all. In fact, I would say just the opposite. The “consecration” (however you define that word) would begin the moment you are saved.

“Consecration” was an Old Testament ceremonial act (it is not a NT concept at all) of setting aside something for sacred use (the firstborn, priesthood, nation of Israel, altar, tabernacle, etc.). It was the act of the bestower, not the recipient. IOW, the recipient had to do nothing to be consecrated for holy use but to receive it. Consecration was not earned, only given, bestowed. Hence, when you become a believer you might be considered “consecrated” (i.e., purified, marked, sealed, anointed, for God’s use). But since the concept is an OT one not repeated in the NT, I avoid using it.

The way I have heard "consecration" used it has more to do with righteous works than with God’s free bestowing grace. During my “holiness” (so-called) days, I was taught to live a “consecrated life”, meaning that through my own righteous actions I somehow attained or maintained my consecration. Nothing is further from the truth. We are justified by faith (not our own ineffective righteous works) and the just live by faith (not by our own putrid righteous works).

~Jim
 
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Jim M said:
No, I am not saying this at all. In fact, I would say just the opposite. The “consecration” (however you define that word) would begin the moment you are saved.

“Consecration” was an Old Testament ceremonial act (it is not a NT concept at all) of setting aside something for sacred use (the firstborn, priesthood, nation of Israel, altar, tabernacle, etc.). It was the act of the bestower, not the recipient. IOW, the recipient had to do nothing to be consecrated for holy use but to receive it. Consecration was not earned, only given, bestowed. Hence, when you become a believer you might be considered “consecrated” (i.e., purified, marked, sealed, anointed, for God’s use). But since the concept is an OT one not repeated in the NT, I avoid using it.

The way I have heard "consecration" used it has more to do with righteous works than with God’s free bestowing grace. During my “holiness” (so-called) days, I was taught to live a “consecrated life”, meaning that through my own righteous actions I somehow attained or maintained my consecration. Nothing is further from the truth. We are justified by faith (not our own ineffective righteous works) and the just live by faith (not by our own putrid righteous works).

~Jim

That is another miss-used word. I do not agree withyou. A believers consecration does not start the minute they are saved. The consecration I am referring to is a period of testing, learning and trial. It is not something that people are automatically put in. They have to choose to walk into it and they way they choose to walk into it is to give themselves to the Lord completely. That doesn't mean they say: "I give myself to you" and then sit back and wait or do nothing. What it means is that the minute they give themselves they make him absolutely number one in their lives over everything else. EVERYTHING else becomes second. And most Christians are not willing to do that.
 
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qh93536 said:
That is another miss-used word. I do not agree withyou. A believers consecration does not start the minute they are saved. The consecration I am referring to is a period of testing, learning and trial. It is not something that people are automatically put in. They have to choose to walk into it and they way they choose to walk into it is to give themselves to the Lord completely. That doesn't mean they say: "I give myself to you" and then sit back and wait or do nothing. What it means is that the minute they give themselves they make him absolutely number one in their lives over everything else. EVERYTHING else becomes second. And most Christians are not willing to do that.
Amen, this is absolutely correct
 
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qh93536 said:
That is another miss-used word. I do not agree withyou. A believers consecration does not start the minute they are saved. The consecration I am referring to is a period of testing, learning and trial. It is not something that people are automatically put in. They have to choose to walk into it and they way they choose to walk into it is to give themselves to the Lord completely. That doesn't mean they say: "I give myself to you" and then sit back and wait or do nothing. What it means is that the minute they give themselves they make him absolutely number one in their lives over everything else. EVERYTHING else becomes second. And most Christians are not willing to do that.
But you have to have a scriptural basis for this or it is just a doctrine of men. Can you show me in the Bible where this is taught? Personally, I do not find anywhere that there is such a thing as a “consecrated” Christian. The best I can do is to say that a Christian is consecrated (set aside for God at the time of his anointing/sanctification, i.e. at the time he is saved, The NT teaches that it is only Christ (Heb. 7.28) and the Christian church (Heb. 10.20) that are “consecrated” (these are the only two places in the KJV/NKJV where the word is used in the NT).

~Jim

 
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Well, gh? I know you do not hold that the Bible is the final authority in all matter of faith and doctrine (although I am sure your pastor and your church does) and since that leaves only (shudder!) you as the final authority, I suppose you don’t have, or care to have, a scripture for what you believe. You just hatch these ideas out of your head, I suppose?

~Jim

 
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