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Should it come down to who kills more? Why does an omnipotent God have to solve all of his problems the same way humans like to do so much, through violence? He may as well just be a really powerful human then.Tell me.... What about the non religious wars?
They far outnumber the religious wars BTW...
But could you explain to me why the Assyrians overtook and killed over cities?
How about the Greeks?
WHAT I SAID was that they won because IT was decreed by God to do so.
WHAT YOU Are not doing is asking WHY they were at war.
You might see the religious impliactions...
But you are being blind to the secular wars.
SO care to share with me why you havent offered an opinion on that?
The world is filled with religion or lack thereof.
DID you know that it was the athiests who killed the most ppl ever?
Listing them;
Hitler [no he was not christian] 11 million dead.
Stalin 41 million dead
Mao Sae Tung 80 million dead.
So..who kills more?
I must admit, that was a pretty ingenious answer.Try this one on for size, R3q...
God was willin' to take what He dished out.
If you lived back in the days of the OT, do you think you would have killed a baby if you believed that God wanted you to do it?
That was the litmus test for Abraham with his "baby" Isaac, on Mt. Moriah.
You're interested, eh? Of course I'd do it. Do you know why? Because God is faithful. God has proven Himself trustworthy time and time again. God knows what He's doing. Do you think it would be wise to mess with God? Wise to directly disobey a direct order? Wise to mess with a God who has the power to send me to hell? Heaven?I'm interested to see if anyone will answer this question.
True enough, but you didn't answer the question.That was the litmus test for Abraham with his "baby" Isaac, on Mt. Moriah.
A question quite 'to-the-point', R3q!
A question God answered Himself with His own "baby", Jesus.
So you're saying that you'd kill a baby because God is omnipotent and has the power to send you to heaven or hell? That pretty much means you'd kill a baby for entirely selfish reasons.You're interested, eh? Of course I'd do it. Do you know why? Because God is faithful. God has proven Himself trustworthy time and time again. God knows what He's doing. Do you think it would be wise to mess with God? Wise to directly disobey a direct order? Wise to mess with a God who has the power to send me to hell? Heaven?
By now I hope you're getting the picture. Becuase the argument you've stated is the lamest argument one can bring to Christianity. That God is unloving. That assumes that God does not follow His own standard for love, and it assumes that God is subject to our judgement. Neither of which are sound assumptions to stand on.
I know.True enough, but you didn't answer the question.
Depends what I knew about God I suppose. If I had a rather in-depth relationship with God like Abraham did, it may be a bit different. Like, if I knew he existed and was God to the point where I've had several direct conversations with him, and he has given me reason to believe that everything will be ok, then I'd consider it. I'd definitely ask to be sacrificed in my son's place though. It ended up being a very good choice for both him AND his son.I know.
Here's another ingenius answer...
You asked first, so you answer first! LOL
Only put yourself in Abraham's position.
Not just any baby, but your own baby!
And one that He promised you & you waited years for, & was miraculously given long after your wife's child-bearing ability had gone!
Asking about killing any baby only begins to scratch the surface of the possible depths in such a question, eh?
God waited 4,000 years for His baby, and His baby was born of a virgin!
You're jumping around the question.Joshua had grown up followin' a pillar of fire & smoke around the desert, & watched the walls of Jericho come tumblin' down from 7 days march & trumpeting.
In those days of miracle & wonder, many heinous abominations equal to, or worse than slaughtering infants were probably pretty commonplace.
It happens all the time in Sudan these days, I hear.
So you would kill an enemy infant if you were commanded to by God? You'd feel bad, but you'd do it?Ok, if you were the infant, I might hesitate for a second...
Agreed.Thank God were in the NT!
The problem with that is that Jesus used the old scriptures as his base, his grounding. The NT relies on the OT being true.I tend to ignore a lot of the old testament for the reasons already outlined in this thread.
Fair enough.As a Christian, I do not believe that it is necessary to dwell on the old testament. The new testament is all that matters to me.
Yes, he did. But at the same time he said not a single word of the Old Law will be changed until Heaven and Earth come to an end.Jesus changed so much about the traditional Jewish religion. That is why we are no longer referred to as Jews but as Christians.
Well, yeah, I'd like to do that too. It's important, though, to know the history of the religion you believe in, to see where it has come from and to see where it is going. Otherwise, why not just believe in anything?Jesus taught a new vision of God as a forgiving and loving Father. I would focus on that and forget the old testament.
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