Why do some fundamentalist reject evolution?

RileyG · Jul 31, 2022

Especially considering the fossil record, DNA, etc? Evolution does not mean anti-God.

Repeat. You can be a Christian and believe in evolution. period

HTacianas · Jul 31, 2022

RileyG said:
Especially considering the fossil record, DNA, etc? Evolution does not mean anti-God.

Repeat. You can be a Christian and believe in evolution. period

It comes from a tradition known as The Fundamentals. It was a series of pamphlets written in the early 1900s that claimed to establish "the fundamentals" of Christianity. It was in part created by the Princeton Theological Society. One of those "fundamentals" was a belief in a literal six day creation, something that has never been a part of Christianity. The followers of The Fundamentals refer to themselves as Fundamentalists.

RileyG · Jul 31, 2022

HTacianas said:
It comes from a tradition known as The Fundamentals. It was a series of pamphlets written in the early 1900s that claimed to establish "the fundamentals" of Christianity. It was in part created by the Princeton Theological Society. One of those "fundamentals" was a belief in a literal six day creation, something that has never been a part of Christianity. The followers of The Fundamentals refer to themselves as Fundamentalists.

Thanks for the clarification.

Does the EO believe in a six day literal creation and in a historical Adam and Eve? I thought they did.

HTacianas · Jul 31, 2022

RileyG said:
Thanks for the clarification.

Does the EO believe in a six day literal creation and in a historical Adam and Eve? I thought they did.

There is no defined teaching on any of it in the Orthodox Church. Some people believe one thing, some people believe another. It has no bearing on our salvation or God's relationship with mankind.

Pavel Mosko · Jul 31, 2022

RileyG said:
Especially considering the fossil record, DNA, etc? Evolution does not mean anti-God.

Repeat. You can be a Christian and believe in evolution. period

This isn't an either or situation. I don't believe in Evolution, I am an old earth Creationist who follows Hugh Ross thought on the topic and is just fine with the fossil record and other scientific discoveries.

RileyG · Jul 31, 2022

Thank you both for your responses

AV1611VET · Aug 1, 2022

HTacianas said:
It comes from a tradition known as The Fundamentals. It was a series of pamphlets written in the early 1900s that claimed to establish "the fundamentals" of Christianity. It was in part created by the Princeton Theological Society. One of those "fundamentals" was a belief in a literal six day creation, something that has never been a part of Christianity. The followers of The Fundamentals refer to themselves as Fundamentalists.

QV Post 37 please.

Here are the six fundamentals of our faith:

1. The Deity of Christ

2. The Vicarious Sacrifice of Christ

3. The Resurrection of Christ

4. The Second Coming

5. The Millennial Reign

6. Verbal Plenary Inspiration and Preservation of the Scriptures

They are "fundamentals" because, lest they occur, salvation cannot come about.

Skye1300 · Aug 1, 2022

RileyG said:
Especially considering the fossil record, DNA, etc? Evolution does not mean anti-God.

Repeat. You can be a Christian and believe in evolution. period

I'm not a fundamentalist, but I don't believe in it because the Bible says death came in the world through the fall of man. Before that, man was created to never die. Evolution means dying was necessary and happening on the earth already before man became evolved to be man. That contradicts the Bible and the fall of man which is what lead Jesus to come and die for our sins. I personally believe in the gap theory. Something happened on the earth unrelated to mankind. That civilization died and then God restored the earth and created man and started our journey.
It's like how in the future once Jesus returns and the devil is locked in hell and we all go to heaven to dwell forever, God may decide to create a whole other group of beings on this earth unrelated to us. They won't evolve from us, just like we didn't evolve from whatever was here before God made man.

Hammster · Aug 1, 2022

RileyG said:
Especially considering the fossil record, DNA, etc? Evolution does not mean anti-God.

Repeat. You can be a Christian and believe in evolution. period

Scripture shows a literal six creation. I’m good with that.

Andrewn · Aug 1, 2022

RileyG said:
Why do some fundamentalist reject evolution?

AV1611VET said:
6. Verbal Plenary Inspiration and Preservation of the Scriptures

This is the problem.

AV1611VET · Aug 1, 2022

Andrewn said:
This is the problem.

It's a fundemental of our faith.

If ...

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

... then I'm sure God would make sure we have the right Scriptures, else our faith can be misled.

Astrid · Aug 1, 2022

Pavel Mosko said:
This isn't an either or situation. I don't believe in Evolution, I am an old earth Creationist who follows Hugh Ross thought on the topic and is just fine with the fossil record and other scientific discoveries.

There's no informed way to be "just fine" with the
fossil record, and deny that evolution is real.

As for relying on High Rose, I looked him up.
Opened something about " reasons to believe".
Scanned and chose to read this article.
Snakes Designed to Breathe while Squeezing

I noted 6 factual errors and one direct contradiction
of what he had just said, in the first 3 paragraphs.

And there are no "giant constrictors" cablelcale of
being dangerous to, let alone eating a man where he was.

But you trust him to interpret the Bible correctly, and know more
than any scientist on earth too.

AV1611VET · Aug 1, 2022

Estrid said:
There's no informed way to be "just fine" with the
fossil record, and deny that evolution is real.

I disagree.

The fossils are real, but their "record" is man-made.

Astrid · Aug 1, 2022

Andrewn said:
This is the problem.

What is?

AV1611VET · Aug 1, 2022

Estrid said:
What is?

The fundamental doctrine that says God authored (and preserves) the Scriptures.

Blade · Aug 1, 2022

RileyG said:
Especially considering the fossil record, DNA, etc? Evolution does not mean anti-God.

Repeat. You can be a Christian and believe in evolution. period

The fact mans dating process is so flawed. What do you mean by "evolution"? As in the age of things? That rock pig skull my dad just loved to take and show the SDA to get them going. Man says was 6 million years old. Yet could still be only a few thousand years old. Not just me saying that. Lol heres one "Early human fossils are a million years older than expected". Sure ok haha

Astrid · Aug 1, 2022

Blade said:
The fact mans dating process is so flawed. What do you mean by "evolution"? As in the age of things? That rock pig skull my dad just loved to take and show the SDA to get them going. Man says was 6 million years old. Yet could still be only a few thousand years old. Not just me saying that. Lol heres one "Early human fossils are a million years older than expected". Sure ok haha

You want to know if evolution is about the age of things?
Are you laughing at yourself because youve no idea
what you are talking about?

NBB · Aug 2, 2022

Evolutionist declare that evolution does its thing, like a computer process would do, alone without the 'help' of anyone needed, so that alone makes evolution wrong, God created us, we are not the product of a blind process, and we have a soul inside, having a soul inside makes evolution wrong too, and if you try to mix God with evolution they get angry and call you a ignorant or worse i have seen this on this forum with them too. Also you have that Jesus of the bible exists and he is alive, and the scriptures are that speaks of him, he took adam and moses seriously...

Also understand that this world doesn't want to believe in God, they need an excuse to exclude God badly, and the devil has everyone blinded.

Larniavc · Aug 2, 2022

NBB said:
Also understand that this world doesn't want to believe in God,

To be fair ‘want’ is not the word to use in this context. When you have no reason to believe in a deity like God or Enki or Horus or any of the ‘big gods’ that people have worshipped over the millennia ‘want’ does not come into it.

That’s like saying that YOU don’t ‘want’ to believe Enki created humans or Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, Attis and Dionysus came back from the dead.

Astrid · Aug 2, 2022

NBB said:
Evolutionist declare that evolution does its thing, like a computer process would do, alone without the 'help' of anyone needed, so that alone makes evolution wrong, God created us, we are not the product of a blind process, and we have a soul inside, having a soul inside makes evolution wrong too, and if you try to mix God with evolution they get angry and call you a ignorant or worse i have seen this on this forum with them too. Also you have that Jesus of the bible exists and he is alive, and the scriptures are that speaks of him, he took adam and moses seriously...

Also understand that this world doesn't want to believe in God, they need an excuse to exclude God badly, and the devil has everyone blinded.

Its generally ok to express opinions or attitudes,
though ones disparaging person's of ideas you
know nothing about, not so much. We noted your
"or worse". You should too.

IF evolution is " wrong" it will take more than your
attitude to show that.
Attitude in this case being that you know more
than tens of millions of your fellow Christians,
and more than any scientist on earth.
We've noted that humility is a Christian virtue
that is little exercised by creationists.

There is no problem whatever in inuding God in evolution.
There is a problem inventing facts.
Your post contains several made up facts. Attitude does not equate
to fact.
Truthfulness is another Christian virtue.

There is zero evidence that anything supernatural is
involved in crystal formation, math, rain, chemistry,
or life processes. Inserting supernatural agency in .
these is senseless. Show us evidence, then talk.

A God may very well have started the universe, made all physical
laws, and so forth. Nobody can make sensible argument for
or against that.
Saying He puts each molecule in place as a crystal grows or
supervises each genetic change in living things is speaking
authoritatively of things for which zero evidence exists.

We realize you want to believe as you do.
I might want to believe I've a chance to grow over five ft .
tall but that's not going to make it so.

What you want to believe plus no facts does not show
evolution is "wrong".

Why do some fundamentalist reject evolution?

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