Why do some Christian's dismiss Creationism?

[Numenor]

Then read the "parable" about "Jesus is an idiot" in the above post

Jesus gave a parable calling himself an idiot?? What bible are you reading?

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

Jesus gave a parable calling himself an idiot?? What bible are you reading?

I've told you it's a parable from myself. You want to say something?

 

[Numenor]

Do you celebrity your birthday not on the actual the date you're actually born.

It must suck having your birthday on Christmas day. Only one set of presents.

 

[Numenor]

I've told you it's a parable from myself. You want to say something?

Is there any reason I should listen to your parables let alone regard them as useful for anything?

 

[The Lady Kate]

What's his personal belief? I worship God, will I push for a law recognizing wiccan gods as Christian God?
Do you think someone will push for something he believes is wrong?

Yes. I think someone would push for something he personally thinks is wrong if he believes that despite his own objections, it's in the best interest of the country. The needs of the many outweigh the whims of the one.

Most people don't believe in war... but they will push for it if they feel it's necessary.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Catholics accuse Protestants of having theology errors. why do you believe in Protestantism? because you think Protestantism is right. Protestants accuse Catholics of having theology errors. why do I believe in Catholicism? because I think Catholicism is right. If you ask an outsider, for example an atheist, which is right, he will tell you both are wrong.


we celebrate the birthday of Christ.

Actually, I'm Catholic.

And Protestants accuse Catholics of thology errors too. Do you even realize what you're talking about?

 

[The Lady Kate]

Truth isn't fact? Fact isn't truth?
So you think evolution is fact, thus it's not truth. hehe

"Truth" and "fact" are not always the same thing... at least pretend to understand...

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

What's his personal belief? I worship God, will I push for a law recognizing wiccan gods as Christian God?
Do you think someone will push for something he believes is wrong?

At the church of a non-Christian religion they were practicing animal sacrifices, the local town outlawed the sacrifices. The ACLU helped the church bring suit and many major Christian Churchs wrote friend of the court briefs supporting the overturning of the law.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

You're accusing Joseph, Mary and wise men there're idiots.

When and where did Joseph or Mary say that Jesus was born a few days after the winter solstice?

It is not at all clear that the Magi visited Jesus immediately after his birth, nor is there any record I am aware of that tells us when the Magi thought he was born.

Earlier you asked whether somebody had engaged in a serious Biblical/ Theological debate, I have to ask you the same thing.

Have you ever engaged in a serious religious discussion with anybody outside of your local church?

Have you read anything in depth (e.g. that takes more than a week to read and takes at least as much time to digest as it takes to read) that wasn't handed to you by your local priest or deacons?

I really suggest that at least until you get a broader education that you take a bit less aggressive stance.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Wrong. Papal infallibility means a pope can't teach wrong.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp

Infallibility belongs in a special way to the pope as head of the bishops (Matt. 16:17–19; John 21:15–17). As Vatican II remarked, it is a charism the pope "enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (Luke 22:32), he proclaims by a definitive act some doctrine of faith or morals.​

How is the date of Christmas a matter of doctrine or morals?

don't you think B16 is still teaching Christmas is Jesus' birthday? you can't find a date in the Bible however it's passed down orally from generation to generation until it's written down --- Dec 25. Because of Papal Infallibility, orthodox Catholics believe it is right.

I will admit that I did not read it in it's entirety but
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm
does not seem to agree with you.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

you TEs [claim that God teach by lieing].

That is called bearing false witness.

By putting faith in God and read Bible literally.

No, by reading and interpreting Genesis with knowledge that didn't exist 300 years ago.

Water Vaper is colorless and meanly block X-ray UV and Gamma Rays. It doesn't block visible light very much.

When you have roughly 30 miles of water vapor you don't need much absorption per unit depth to add up to very good absorption.

You have seen rain every once in a while. are they scalding hot? think about it.

What is potential energy?
What is the height of most clouds?
Where was all that water vapor stored?
(how does water vapor pour out of floodgates?)

About nitrogen narcosis, I'm asking you to show any connection with the water layer.

Nitrogen narcosis occurs at and below 100 feet depth.
40 days * 24 hours/day * 2 inches rain/ hour = 160 feet
liquid to gas results in roughly 1000x increase of volume

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

That is called bearing false witness.
Then explain to me why it's not lying. the Father said He created the everything in 6 days and it's not true, the Son came and claimed the Father done it in 6 days and it's not true.
you can let any judge decide if this is lying.

No, by reading and interpreting Genesis with knowledge that didn't exist 300 years ago.

eh, "hidden knowledge" I guess, something God doesn't want everyone to know. Let me say this. if there were no genesis or genesis said God took a monkey and make it a man, evolution would be "discovered" much earlier. so God doesn't want us to "discover" evolutionism.
Congratulations, you're qualified as a gnostic now.

When you have roughly 30 miles of water vapor you don't need much absorption per unit depth to add up to very good absorption.

What is potential energy?
What is the height of most clouds?
Where was all that water vapor stored?
(how does water vapor pour out of floodgates?)

We still have water vaper at the top of atmophere, though much less than the pre-flood period. I can't see any problem with that. underground water also contributed to the flood. for a drop of water/water vaper to come down to the cloud level it will pass stratosphere and some other very cold layers and lose temporature.

Nitrogen narcosis occurs at and below 100 feet depth.
40 days * 24 hours/day * 2 inches rain/ hour = 160 feet
liquid to gas results in roughly 1000x increase of volume

how do you know they all turn into gas. we still have underground water now.
btw I don't like to discuss about secular science in this thread. start another thread is you like.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

Yes. I think someone would push for something he personally thinks is wrong if he believes that despite his own objections, it's in the best interest of the country. The needs of the many outweigh the whims of the one.

Most people don't believe in war... but they will push for it if they feel it's necessary.

Get this schizophrenia sorted out before making another post. I beg you.

US wages war to liberate Iraq because at considering the situations US believes a war is the best way.

people who don't believe in war are called pacifists and will never wage war.

people do something because they believe it's right.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

When and where did Joseph or Mary say that Jesus was born a few days after the winter solstice?

It is not at all clear that the Magi visited Jesus immediately after his birth, nor is there any record I am aware of that tells us when the Magi thought he was born.

Earlier you asked whether somebody had engaged in a serious Biblical/ Theological debate, I have to ask you the same thing.

Have you ever engaged in a serious religious discussion with anybody outside of your local church?

Have you read anything in depth (e.g. that takes more than a week to read and takes at least as much time to digest as it takes to read) that wasn't handed to you by your local priest or deacons?

I really suggest that at least until you get a broader education that you take a bit less aggressive stance.

When did Jeseph Mary and wise men say Jesus isn't born on Christmas?
Your Church teaches so, My Church teaches so. the burden of prove is on you to prove Christmas isn't Christ's birthday.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

At the church of a non-Christian religion they were practicing animal sacrifices, the local town outlawed the sacrifices. The ACLU helped the church bring suit and many major Christian Churchs wrote friend of the court briefs supporting the overturning of the law.

What this has to anthing to do with my post?
I just ask you do you think I or any faithful can push a law recognizing wiccan gods as Christian God. answer me yes or no

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

"Truth" and "fact" are not always the same thing...

Enough of that. Since you claim to be a Catholic I can tell you this modernism heresy is condemned by Pius X already.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

Actually, I'm Catholic.

And Protestants accuse Catholics of thology errors too. Do you even realize what you're talking about?

hmm, interesting. according to your posts, I'd thought you're a liberal Protestant.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

Yes. I think someone would push for something he personally thinks is wrong if he believes that despite his own objections, it's in the best interest of the country. The needs of the many outweigh the whims of the one.

So abortion is for the best of US and Kerry isn't a member of the US society. you're assuming J Kerry is a schizo. I guess he's more likely a hypocrite than a schizo.

 

[ThaiDuykhang]

Is there any reason I should listen to your parables let alone regard them as useful for anything?

I'll repeat my point for TEs to read:

If you don't believe in literal interpretation, can you say "Jesus is an idiot" is a lie? you surely can interprete it into "Jesus is an idiot but is smarter than all of us".

 

[artybloke]

If you don't believe in literal interpretation, can you say "Jesus is an idiot" is a lie?

Yes, very easily.

Firstly, Jesus never says anything in support of or against a modernistic literalist view of Genesis. Why would he? It wasn't part of his message of liberation.

Secondly, he lived in the 1st century AD, 1800 and more years before the modern theory of evolution was first mooted. How could a man who lived before the theory was thought of have any knowledge of said theory, and why would he be any more of an idiot than Plato, who also didn't know about it?

Jesus would no more know about evolution than he would about the plot of The Bold & the Beautiful. Why would he need to?