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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?
Maybe because they're not trained to answer questions, honest questions or not, especially when the questions seem like just talking about the subject may be a true stumbling block to those who are little ones, and those who are weak in their faith - topics that are not suitable for ekklesia to discuss. There might be many more reasons also, but it would require a few weeks to adequately prepare good information with the appropriate BIBLE SCRIPTURES to show from GOD'S WORD, and it would require a place where it is permitted, and moderated according to GOD'S WORD, so the antagonists could not keep going in circles without correction and without end.
 
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I only get mad at atheists/agnostics...etc who don't ask out of learning but ask things just to troll. There are a few members on this forum who have been here for at least a decade and love to stir the pot in the sections they are allowed in to get christians mad at them, then they turn them in for breaking ToS. Which is why I am glad I am not a mod. I'd ban anyone who wasn't christian that was trolling. As for those who have legit questions, you can make progress with them and thus wouldn't be banned.
 
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As for the Buddhist and the Christian, the Buddhist will not get to Heaven. Because he doesn't believe in Jesus as his Savior. Actions alone will not get you there.
Even this, I find hard to swallow. My father went to Church every Sunday, gave of his time freely for charity work but ask him "do you believe Jesus is your Saviour?" would say nothing or "I don't know" (he wasn't very educated) Action speak louder than words is my view. The Christian is often more talk and less walk.
 
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The argument against "why punish mankind for the sins of Adam and Eve" is this: any other pair would have done the same. Think about it: Adam and Eve had no "bad genes", lived in a perfect environment, had no societal pressures, no media influence, no education, they were perfectly innocent- yet sinned. So would have you and your husband in their place, or anyone else. It is within us to be led astray.

That is putting the son in prison for the murder committed by his father, I believe you would see the injustice in that...
 
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Oh, I can VERY easily answer this.

It's because religion can cause harm.

Some people are abused because of it, whether it be through priests (supposedly "holy men of God") or their own families.

Women were seen as inferior because of the Bible, slavery was perpetuated and given Bible verses in support of it. And there are many.

People, even a few on this forum, are deathly terrified of hell. It sickens me to see people here that afraid. And hell is such a barbaric concept that it seems only evil people would think about perpetuating such a thing.

Some things in the Bible are completely awful, like God commanding Genocide, slaughter but keeping the virgins for themselves, beating a slave to death being okay as long as they do t die right away, and so many many other things.

The doctrine of original sin can cause some to have incredibly low self-esteem.

It can cause people to make decisions that turn out awfully because they think it's what God is telling them.

Questioning can bring ridicule or hostility from strong believers and cause the doubters to feel shame, guilt-tripped, depressed, and threatened. As if some are trying to scare them into believing.


THAT is why nonbelievers and questioners care. Because it can be heavily damaging, threatening, awful, abusive, and borderline evil. Are there good points to religion? Sure, with the right people, but points like the above are terrible things that people need to know about and shouldn't be scared from questioning or feel shame, guilt, and afraid of their own thoughts as a result.
So, what gives them the right to hurt and attack something I hold so dear? I'm sorry they were hurt by religion, but they want to repay hurt with hurt? That's a morally acceptable thing to do?

I think a lot of people get the idea of Christianity wrong. I see atheists going around saying untrue things, like most wars have been fought over religion. That's not true at all. Most wars have been fought over land and resources. The biggest war in world history, taking the lives of over 60 million people, was due to one man's diluted fantasy of a genetically superior race, so he attempted to rid the world of inferior species. That sounds more like a mad scientist trying to play evolution than a holy war the atheists try to make it out to be.

It's funny how politics shapes things today. A liberal or atheist can look at Muslims and go, "You know what, most are good. Most of them want nothing to do with barbarism the extremists display, but for the most part, Islam is a peaceful religion." But when it comes to Christians here in the States, we're looked at as the mighty oppressors. There are plenty of liberals who are Christian, but we're seen a greedy, mean people who want to take away rights and support slavery, etc. But again, it's not true.

Christians are the most generous people on the face of the earth. We give away more money to help out than any other faith, country, or creed. Christian nations give more than secular nations. The majority of the charities in the world are Christian charities. Here in America, we give much more to our poor (even though it's often not enough). We take in the sick and the hungry, even the illegals. We spend $113 BILLION per year taking care of illegal immigrants, feeding them, clothing them, allowing their kids to go to school, housing them, giving free health insurance, a free car, etc.

I'm sorry, but Christians aren't these bad, evil people. You feel oppressed because we think homosexuality is a sin? Yeah, there are a few bad apples out there, but I've never gone up to a gay person and shouted "SINNER!" in their face. I've never attacked someone for their sin or judged them. I believe what I believe and if you're going to come at me like you're goal is to rid my faith from me, of course I'm going to be hostile. Religious beliefs are sacred to a lot of people, me included.

It's a bit hypocritical to ask why Christians are being hostile when it's the atheists who acted hostile first. Now, if someone kindly PMd me or asked a question about God, I have no issue answering the question. I'm respectful and civil if they're civil and respectful back. If someone wants to debate me on the forum here, I'm all for it. Let's open the door for civil conversation, but if their only desire is to get me to disbelief and they're hostile and calling me an idiot because I "believe in a sky fairy", I'm not going to deal with it.
 
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Because they're immature and disrespectful. And the same can be said about the Believer that attempts to shove their religion down the atheist's throat. The best way to handle these situations is with love, in a Christ like manner. Notice that when Christ rebuked people, it was always the religious leaders that were taking advantage of people and making a mockery of God and the Temple. It was never the non-believer.
I would say the Pharisees WERE nonbelievers. They did not believe Jesus was the Christ.
 
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That's why analyzing what you believe is always good, don't be afraid to question. Truth always stands up to scrutiny.
good answer.
Hey Crystal. Hi. I knew you there was another Catholic/Christian sceptic on CF. You're more advanced on your journey than me I can see that.
 
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I think that tendency happens in recent converts or people who have just discovered their Christian faith and have gotten serious about it. To them it's a wonderful and fantastic discovery and to have someone criticise it? That's just wrong, they're criticising the truth and likely for evil or impure motives! We have to strike back hard and fast! Shame them into seeing their errors!

The above doesn't represent how I feel, but it is the sort of attitude I see amongst some Christians. I think this isn't limited to Christianity but anyone's viewpoint on any subject matter. I was watching a video the other day about fandoms on Tumblr and the people there can and do get very sensitive if you criticise their 'superwholock' or 'destiel' fanfictions. It's a tribal mentality and Christians can be just as guilty of assuming the worst in their opponents.

It goes without saying that atheists and sceptics can be just like that as well. Human nature and all that.
 
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good answer.
Hey Crystal. Hi. I knew you there was another Catholic/Christian sceptic on CF. You're more advanced on your journey than me I can see that.

Haha, depends on what you mean by ""advanced on my journey". I just have always had a lot of questions and curiosity about things. :)
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?
Maybe they aren't christians. I mean the term is utilized so loosely today as simply a believer who maybe goes to church once every few weeks..but christian means to be christ like.
 
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I think there is a danger when anyone thinks they "now own the truth". They start to see things in black and white and stop questioning. And anyone who doesn't agree with them must be totally misguided, misinformed and just plain wrong." 'Owners of the truth' tend to become arrogant. But they fail to see their own pride and sin.
 
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That is putting the son in prison for the murder committed by his father, I believe you would see the injustice in that...
Either I did not communicate very clearly (HIGHLY possible) or you misunderstood my post. If you and your wife were put in the Garden of Eden, you two would have fallen too- maybe quicker than Adam and Eve. We ALL would have fallen. Sinners by nature and sinners by choice.
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?

IMO, the Christians who have certain specific personal beliefs are like this.

I think the answer is quite simple, some folks need to protect their belief and certain questions, are not easily answered and they create doubt (cognitive dissonance) and are to either be; ignored and or attacked to demonize the same. Very rudimentary defense mechanisms at work.

I will add this as well. When you notice someone needing to lash out when they are questioned, there is a good chance it is because that person has a good bit of deep seated doubt about their own beliefs, they are trying to suppress.
 
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Either I did not communicate very clearly (HIGHLY possible) or you misunderstood my post. If you and your wife were put in the Garden of Eden, you two would have fallen too- maybe quicker than Adam and Eve. We ALL would have fallen. Sinners by nature and sinners by choice.

I fully understand your statement, its just that I don't see why should their descendants suffer for their transgressions......the concept of original sin
 
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I fully understand your statement, its just that I don't see why should their descendants suffer for their transgressions......the concept of original sin
Because, substitute any two people- Mother Theresa and Dr. Albert Schweitzer, ANY two people and they would have sinned too. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
 
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Because, substitute any two people- Mother Theresa and Dr. Albert Schweitzer, ANY two people and they would have sinned too. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Yes, and my thoughts are, only those who committed the transgression should pay the price, not anyone else.....its like saying, you would have done it too, so you should be equally punished, even tho you didn't commit the 'crime'
 
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Yes, and my thoughts are, only those who committed the transgression should pay the price, not anyone else.....its like saying, you would have done it too, so you should be equally punished, even tho you didn't commit the 'crime'
But you would have- maybe even done something worse, who knows? The Bible says "There is none righteous, no, not one." I think if two completely innocent people in a perfect paradise sinned, then anyone else would have as well.
 
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Yes, and my thoughts are, only those who committed the transgression should pay the price, not anyone else.....its like saying, you would have done it too, so you should be equally punished, even tho you didn't commit the 'crime'

The bible makes the case that God is omniscient, all knowing. If that is true, then God knew before he created Adam and Eve (according to the creation story) that they would fall. He also knew he would punish them and punish the rest of mankind too.
 
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But you would have- maybe even done something worse, who knows? The Bible says "There is none righteous, no, not one." I think if two completely innocent people in a perfect paradise sinned, then anyone else would have as well.

That wouldn't be fair now would it? to punish someone because of the actions of others, regardless of what one might have done, the fact remains that you or any individual is not guilty until the crime has been committed....What you mention is collective guilt, and only brutal societies like North Korea practice it.
 
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