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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?
 

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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?
Sadly, some of us do that. We have to remember that each person, since Adam-Eve, is born with a sinful nature. The urge and the will to sin is present and evolves over time. At some point, when the Holy Spirit ministers to a sinner, that person accepts Jesus as Savior. At that precise moment one is equipped with a Spiritual Nature. The purpose of the Spiritual Nature is to override and eventually block sinful nature input.
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?
1 Peter 3:15 says the believer should be 'ready to give a reason for the hope that is within you'.
 
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Sadly, some of us do that. We have to remember that each person, since Adam-Eve, is born with a sinful nature. The urge and the will to sin is present and evolves over time. At some point, when the Holy Spirit ministers to a sinner, that person accepts Jesus as Savior. At that precise moment one is equipped with a Spiritual Nature. The purpose of the Spiritual Nature is to override and eventually block sinful nature input.


I've seen more people act like that than not.

Why would we be punished for something two people did who had no knowledge of right and wrong? Why punish us for what we had nothing to do with? That's punishing the son for the sins of the father.

Also there are plenty of good people who aren't Christians, and thus might not be said to have a "Spiritual Nature". And what about those who were Christians who then became atheists?
 
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Why would we be punished for something two people did who had no knowledge of right and wrong? Why punish us for what we had nothing to do with? That's punishing the son for the sins of the father.
I'm not certain that you have received Christian training or study, or that you attend Christian services, sharing with others. Your questions do not offer even a hint of you being a Christian. Perhaps you can share your salvation experience. Did you ever have one? Has it grown stale, rusty? Is Christianity 101 necessary in order to develop Christian insights?
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?
I don't get it either...I kinda feel like if we don't question we don't learn...
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?

Christians acting High and Mighty is something that turns many people away from Christianity for sure. It's a matter of presentation we all need to work on. Christians want people to follow Jesus, and condemning them right off the bat is not a way to hold a good discussion.

God doesn't mind if we ask questions. Even Moses was full of doubt that he could have any affect on the Israelites initially. But there is a difference between questioning/doubting and rebelling - which is was God does NOT want.

For example - you may question why God says homosexuality is a sin. It may not make sense. And you should want to know God's reasons because, like we talked about in another thread, God does not want atomatons. But, if you know God forbids homosexuality (or premarital sex or adultry because they are in the same vein) and yet you still do it, you are basically saying "no, God. You've got it wrong" and rebelling against Him

I know what you mean by some Christians feeling questioning is wrong, and how some come off as condescending. We are called to be the image of Christ and use that as our main form of evangelizing. It's sometimes hard to find that balance between loving someone and disagreeing with them
 
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I don't get it either...I kinda feel like if we don't question we don't learn...


I think it's because it seems like the questioners are the ones who are likely to become atheists. In order to analyze something as true, it needs to hold up to scrutiny. That might be why some other Christians are so hostile toward questioning.

I'm not certain that you have received Christian training or study, or that you attend Christian services, sharing with others. Your questions do not offer even a hint of you being a Christian.

And that further proves my point.

Perhaps you can share your salvation experience. Did you ever have one? Has it grown stale, rusty? Is Christianity 101 necessary in order to develop Christian insights?

I was baptized before I can remember, I was confirmed and received the Eucharist. I was an altar server. I go to Mass almost every weekend. I attended a Catholic elementary school and high school. I know more about parts of the Bible than many people here who cherry-pick the same verses. I know about the history. I'm not afraid to analyze. I'm not afraid to question. I'm not fond of a view of shame of hostility directed at someone just for curiosity.
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?
A lot of it isn't simple asking of questions. For whatever reason, there's a large portion of atheists who want to destroy the faith of Christians for whatever reason they have for it. Why do they care so much about what other people believe? If you don't believe in God, then go on your way. Why try to take my faith away from me?
 
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I think it's because it seems like the questioners are the ones who are likely to become atheists. In order to analyze something as true, it needs to hold up to scrutiny. That might be why some other Christians are so hostile toward questioning.

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I guess I can see it going that way...though it could cause one to go down a different path...and as we know, just from being on this board, there are a lot of different paths within Christianity...and I'm not talking about the path as it's brought forth in the Bible (the straight and narrow) we could say all Christians are on that path...I'm talking strictly denominational. Just looking at myself, I started my journey in a very traditional Anglican church, then became very fundamentalist...but over the years I have become more relaxed and ecumenical. For me, the my way or the highway approach doesn't work. And strangely, with this, I'm finding myself leaning towards a lot more of the traditional ways that I rejected years ago.

And there are other things that over the years I've questioned. Things that if I made public would probably have some deem me atheistic or whatever...but again, I see that when I've questioned things about God and his ways, or about the Church that I've ended up being stronger in my faith...though it may have taken a while to get there. Doubt is a natural part of the process as far as I'm concerned.
 
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I feel like some of us enjoy having our beliefs plain and simple and from the mouth of another in 45 minute segments. There are many different factors involved with 'why' someone chooses to (must?) live this way, but it seems like they are afraid to ask questions - perhaps afraid of what answers they may find.

It is completely natural and healthy to be curious and skeptical of such magnificence as the universe, let alone something as profound as spirituality.

Perhaps hostile retaliation is also a natural reaction when someone is at war with their human nature.
 
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A lot of it isn't simple asking of questions. For whatever reason, there's a large portion of atheists who want to destroy the faith of Christians for whatever reason they have for it. Why do they care so much about what other people believe? If you don't believe in God, then go on your way. Why try to take my faith away from me?
Because they're immature and disrespectful. And the same can be said about the Believer that attempts to shove their religion down the atheist's throat. The best way to handle these situations is with love, in a Christ like manner. Notice that when Christ rebuked people, it was always the religious leaders that were taking advantage of people and making a mockery of God and the Temple. It was never the non-believer.
 
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A lot of it isn't simple asking of questions. For whatever reason, there's a large portion of atheists who want to destroy the faith of Christians for whatever reason they have for it. Why do they care so much about what other people believe? If you don't believe in God, then go on your way. Why try to take my faith away from me?

Oh, I can VERY easily answer this.

It's because religion can cause harm.

Some people are abused because of it, whether it be through priests (supposedly "holy men of God") or their own families.

Women were seen as inferior because of the Bible, slavery was perpetuated and given Bible verses in support of it. And there are many.

People, even a few on this forum, are deathly terrified of hell. It sickens me to see people here that afraid. And hell is such a barbaric concept that it seems only evil people would think about perpetuating such a thing.

Some things in the Bible are completely awful, like God commanding Genocide, slaughter but keeping the virgins for themselves, beating a slave to death being okay as long as they do t die right away, and so many many other things.

The doctrine of original sin can cause some to have incredibly low self-esteem.

It can cause people to make decisions that turn out awfully because they think it's what God is telling them.

Questioning can bring ridicule or hostility from strong believers and cause the doubters to feel shame, guilt-tripped, depressed, and threatened. As if some are trying to scare them into believing.


THAT is why nonbelievers and questioners care. Because it can be heavily damaging, threatening, awful, abusive, and borderline evil. Are there good points to religion? Sure, with the right people, but points like the above are terrible things that people need to know about and shouldn't be scared from questioning or feel shame, guilt, and afraid of their own thoughts as a result.
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?

Probably because they are afraid that some of the answers might not be something they'll like, Crystal. :rolleyes:
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?

I have thought about this a lot. It seems to me that they lack the peace that passes all understanding (shalom), so they are angry and forget (or don't know how) to love others as themselves. They share the values of the Pharisees instead of Christ's values.
 
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And there are other things that over the years I've questioned. Things that if I made public would probably have some deem me atheistic or whatever...but again, I see that when I've questioned things about God and his ways, or about the Church that I've ended up being stronger in my faith...though it may have taken a while to get there. Doubt is a natural part of the process as far as I'm concerned.

^^ This

Any Christian who tells you they haven't questioned God is lying to you. And themselves.

There are some things that you hear that won't make sense; things that you can't believe you are supposed to believe. The key is to bring your questions before God, consult the Bible, consult a trusted mentor, and THEN you can start Googling.

"The problem is not that reason attacks faith, but that emotions overwhelm reason as well as faith, and it’s impossible for reasons to dissuade them. . . . [This kind of] doubt comes just at the point where the believer’s emotions (vivid imagination, changing moods, erratic feelings, intense reactions) rise up and overpower the understanding of faith. Out-voted, out-gunned, faith is pressed back and hemmed in by the unruly mob of raging emotions that only a while earlier were quiet, orderly citizens of the personality. Reason is cut down, obedience is thrown out, and for a while the rule of emotions is as sovereign as it is violent. The coup d’état is complete." -Os Guinness
 
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Oh, I can VERY easily answer this.

It's because religion can cause harm.

Some people are abused because of it, whether it be through priests (supposedly "holy men of God") or their own families.

Women were seen as inferior because of the Bible, slavery was perpetuated and given Bible verses in support of it. And there are many.

People, even a few on this forum, are deathly terrified of hell. It sickens me to see people here that afraid. And hell is such a barbaric concept that it seems only evil people would think about perpetuating such a thing.

Some things in the Bible are completely awful, like God commanding Genocide, slaughter but keeping the virgins for themselves, beating a slave to death being okay as long as they do t die right away, and so many many other things.

The doctrine of original sin can cause some to have incredibly low self-esteem.

Questioning can bring ridicule or hostility from strong believers and cause the doubters to feel shame, guilt-tripped, depressed, and threatened. As if some are trying to scare them into believing.


THAT is why nonbelievers and questioners care. Because it can be heavily damaging, threatening, awful, and borderline abusive. Are there good points to religion? Sure, but points like the above are terrible things that people need to know about and shouldn't be scared from questioning or feel shame, guilt, and afraid of their own thoughts as a result.
What about you? Is your faith, your eternal security, based upon what Jesus did at the Cross, or is it negated by doubt, ridicule, animosity? How do you reconcile your Catholic beliefs with your long list of blaming the Bible and the Christian Faith and Christian Believers in Christ Jesus as Savior? Do you pray? Do you seek HIS guidance, HIS will, HIS insight, or will you continue in the blame game? Will you appear at the Judgment Seat of Christ? Do you know what that is?

You've come here asking questions; many of us have attempted to reveal HIS answers. The bottom line, of course, is that HE has all the answers. Thank God He chooses some of us to be His faithful witness.

I'll leave it to you.

Bye.
 
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It seems like often when doubters/agnostics/atheists present questions or problems to Christians, some get hostile. They say that they're trying to spread deceit, that they aren't true Christians, that doubting is dangerous, that they'll go to hell, etc.

Why do many seem so afraid to question their faith and threaten or guilt-trip those who do? The truth doesn't hide from questioning. If Christians are so confident of the Truth, why do they rebuke others for honestly questioning?

I believe it is because they generally hate the truth.
 
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^^ This

Any Christian who tells you they haven't questioned God is lying to you. And themselves.

There are some things that you hear that won't make sense; things that you can't believe you are supposed to believe. The key is to bring your questions before God, consult the Bible, consult a trusted mentor, and THEN you can start Googling.

"The problem is not that reason attacks faith, but that emotions overwhelm reason as well as faith, and it’s impossible for reasons to dissuade them. . . . [This kind of] doubt comes just at the point where the believer’s emotions (vivid imagination, changing moods, erratic feelings, intense reactions) rise up and overpower the understanding of faith. Out-voted, out-gunned, faith is pressed back and hemmed in by the unruly mob of raging emotions that only a while earlier were quiet, orderly citizens of the personality. Reason is cut down, obedience is thrown out, and for a while the rule of emotions is as sovereign as it is violent. The coup d’état is complete." -Os Guinness
Great description of the sinful nature vs. the Spiritual Nature.
 
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