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They would have been alive in their sinful bodies. Who wants that? This mortal body is full of sin and illness. Our immortal bodies will be perfect.should have not let them eat the knowledge fruit in the first place,...and the penalty for eating that is death apparently,.....if he let them eat from the tree of life that would have solve everything. Sin? He could just forgive, he choose not to, I fail to see any beauty in that
More death to cover the sins which penalty is death,....
No need for any Messiah, he is God, he could forgive. Grace mercy and love? Just forgive them...
He said "The woman YOU gave me" to God- like "if you didn't give me this gorgeous woman I love, who is the very heart of me, I would not have loved her so much and I would not have sinned." Never mind that he was lonely for who knows how long before Eve appeared.
They would have been alive in their sinful bodies. Who wants that? This mortal body is full of sin and illness. Our immortal bodies will be perfect.
God is holy, He can not be in the presence of sin. So we need a daysman, as Job says, someone who can go between us and God and make a bridge. God Himself became our sacrifice.
I, too, am curious about how this works. I was taught that Adam and Eve didn't actually exist and that the story just communicates theological truths about free will and the nature of humanity. I'm not sure how it all fits together if a person thinks it literally happened that way.
Because God requires BLOOOOOD.He can't be in the presence of sin, so really what is stopping him from forgiving them right there and then? ...Why is there a need for a mediator? And he became the 'bridge', which means that he plays the role of the mediator to go between himself and Adam and Eve, ....you can see why it makes no sense whatsoever....
Because God requires BLOOOOOD.
He sinned against God. That is wrong, he knew what he was doing. Willful disobedience. The motive for Adam's sin was not the motive for Eve's sin. Eve was lustful, Adam loved Eve more than obeying God. That is what I meant.So its bad to eat the fruit, but good in a way because he loves Eve so much, he rather die than to be alone, even noble of him to do that,.... but tries to blame God??? and you say he is not stupid? It just gets weirder and weirder....
Yes, He is all these things- right from the beginning.
He sinned against God. That is wrong, he knew what he was doing. Willful disobedience. The motive for Adam's sin was not the motive for Eve's sin. Eve was lustful, Adam loved Eve more than obeying God. That is what I meant.
Because He is just and holy. Sin requires someone to pay for it. Justice must be served. We have that in us, that desire to see justice. It comes from God. He is mercy, too. So instead of making us pay for justice ourselves, He became judge, and jury, and defense lawyer, and trial lawyer. In the end, He took our place as the condemned. It's a legal transaction.If that is so, he could just forgive, if we humans can forgive each other without the need for a blood sacrifice, and we are so 'sinful' compared to a perfect God, then I don't see why a good, loving and merciful God can't do so,...
God told Adam in the beginning, that he could not eat the fruit. He had his instructions.How would he know that it's wrong? He needed to eat the fruit first before he could know that....in fact, after Eve ate the fruit, she gain the knowledge of good and evil, and yet she choose to give it to Adam at that point....Adam was innocent at that point, Eve was not, and she knew it....
Being omniscient, He had foreknowledge of the outcome. He chose to proceed in creation and yet, somehow, we're supposed to believe the lovely Garden of Eden was His intention for us and we messed it up.Because He is just and holy. Sin requires someone to pay for it. Justice must be served. We have that in us, that desire to see justice. It comes from God. He is mercy, too. So instead of making us pay for justice ourselves, He became judge, and jury, and defense lawyer, and trial lawyer. In the end, He took our place as the condemned. It's a legal transaction.
We don't always "just forgive". I know that I don't, and have to remember what Christ forgave me in order to be forgiving and merciful myself. Sometimes, I'd rather mete out justice, but I know mercy is better as I have obtained mercy.
This is why the sacrifice of Christ is so elegant. It satisfies all the attributes of God, his holiness, justice, love, mercy, goodness. He is justice and mercy, both. A paradox. Someone had to pay, so He paid. Amazing love, how can it be? That thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
Because He is just and holy. Sin requires someone to pay for it. Justice must be served. We have that in us, that desire to see justice. It comes from God. He is mercy, too. So instead of making us pay for justice ourselves, He became judge, and jury, and defense lawyer, and trial lawyer. In the end, He took our place as the condemned. It's a legal transaction.
We don't always "just forgive". I know that I don't, and have to remember what Christ forgave me in order to be forgiving and merciful myself. Sometimes, I'd rather mete out justice, but I know mercy is better as I have obtained mercy.
This is why the sacrifice of Christ is so elegant. It satisfies all the attributes of God, his holiness, justice, love, mercy, goodness. He is justice and mercy, both. A paradox. Someone had to pay, so He paid. Amazing love, how can it be? That thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
God told Adam in the beginning, that he could not eat the fruit. He had his instructions.
I don't understand......So, trolling is ok if the troll is a christian?
He can't be in the presence of sin, so really what is stopping him from forgiving them right there and then? ...Why is there a need for a mediator? And he became the 'bridge', which means that he plays the role of the mediator to go between himself and Adam and Eve, ....you can see why it makes no sense whatsoever....
He had instructions, but not the knowledge that it was wrong to disobey those instructions, until after he disobeyed....
They were not "babes," or "stupid" like the pedestrian Christian narrative suggests (or downright states.)
Why would God put a spiritually or physically inept, and intellectually immature entity in charge of an entire planet, it's life, and the maintenance thereof?
He wouldnt; Adam and Eve knew exactly what they were doing. The apocryphal library, and the canonical text affirm this. Otherwise, Adam wouldn't have tried to shift the blame on his wife - a very CARNAL, HUMAN thing to do - which also requires the intelligence to be conniving.
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