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This is not meant to be a flame; I truly don't get it. Why do the majority of Christians vote Republican? From my vantage point, it seems like Republican policy is precisely the opposite of Christian ethics. For example, Republican policy tends to:

1. Favor the rich over the poor
2. Be more in favor of war
3. Favor big businesses over public institutions
4. Disregard the environment and taking care of the Earth

...and so on. How is it that such anti-Christian policies have become part of a party platform so many Christians seem to support?
 
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Wedge issues. The Republican party has turned alot of moral debates into political ones, and convinced alot of religious folks that voting Democrat is akin to supporting those things they're morally against.
 
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Wedge issues. The Republican party has turned alot of moral debates into political ones, and convinced alot of religious folks that voting Democrat is akin to supporting those things they're morally against.

Thanks for posting. In essence, things like abortion and gay marriage are trumping everything else?
 
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1. Those things in the OP are your opinion only.
2. Yes, abortion trumps everything. Nothing is more important than life.

Mikey, I feel like politicians play the abortion card to get voters like you to vote for them, but then nothing really changes with regard to abortion once they're in office. Could they be toying with you to get your vote?
 
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1. They promote the idea of self sufficiency (see parable of the talents/menas)
2. Both parties are parties of war, clinton bombed iraq and got us involved with hte balkins, obama haas gotten us more heavily involved with Afghanistan, and don't forget lybia, and soon enough iran... he also promised to get us out of iraq but he didn't the only reaso nwe are out now is because the iraqi government kicked us out
3. both parties are owned by lobbyists for companies such as monsanto, republicans at least give lip service (contradicted by their actions) that government is the source of problems and bureaucracy not the solution
4. I wouldn't say disregard but many are skeptical about the environmentalist movement, especially since many of it's proponents stand to make a lot of profit of the sale of "green products" and many of them use the global warming front to take away personal rights, for instance property rights look up UN agenda 21
 
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This is not meant to be a flame; I truly don't get it. Why do the majority of Christians vote Republican? From my vantage point, it seems like Republican policy is precisely the opposite of Christian ethics. For example, Republican policy tends to:

1. Favor the rich over the poor
2. Be more in favor of war
3. Favor big businesses over public institutions
4. Disregard the environment and taking care of the Earth

...and so on. How is it that such anti-Christian policies have become part of a party platform so many Christians seem to support?
How many Americans call themselves Christian? 85%? Now can you still think they all vote Republican?
 
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Something around 80% of Americans identify them selves as some sort of Christian.

Yet Obama won the White House and Democrats took over the Senate.

There is such an animal as a Christian Democrat
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How many Americans call themselves Christian? 85%? Now can you still think they all vote Republican?

The percentages of born-again Christians and evangelical Christians voting for Republicans is quite high; Catholics, not so much.

I think some responses in this thread are assuming that I think Christians should vote for Democrats. That's not it at all. In fact, that's part of the problem, in my opinion. We seem to label everything in terms of the little (R) or (D) categories in which politicians place themselves. I don't like that at all. But it just seems strange to me that the (R) label seems to have found a way to co-opt the Christian vote despite neither the (D) nor the (R) platforms really representing Christianity.
 
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The percentages of born-again Christians and evangelical Christians voting for Republicans is quite high; Catholics, not so much.

I think some responses in this thread are assuming that I think Christians should vote for Democrats. That's not it at all. In fact, that's part of the problem, in my opinion. We seem to label everything in terms of the little (R) or (D) categories in which politicians place themselves. I don't like that at all. But it just seems strange to me that the (R) label seems to have found a way to co-opt the Christian vote despite neither the (D) nor the (R) platforms really representing Christianity.

Thanks for clarifying
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2. Yes, abortion trumps everything. Nothing is more important than life.

True, but I fear that things are a bit more complex than that:
From what I hear (I don't live in the USA) the Republicans want to make access to contraception much more difficult. This may well have the effect of actually increasing the number of abortions, to say nothing of the number of women who would die in botched illegal abortions. (Even if there were no legal access to abortions, there would soon be a flourishing illegal abortion "industry".)

As an aside: To me, as an outside "observer", both Republicans and Democrats are the two sides of the same coin. Surely there is no compulsion to support and/or vote for either of them?
 
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1. Favor the rich over the poor
2. Be more in favor of war
3. Favor big businesses over public institutions
4. Disregard the environment and taking care of the Earth

...and so on. How is it that such anti-Christian policies have become part of a party platform so many Christians seem to support?
All of what you wrote there can also be laid at the feet of the Democratic Party.
I think that when Christians vote either Democrat or Republican, they realize that there are things wrong with the candidate and their party, but there are good things about the political candidates and parties that are worth supporting.

Something I like about the Republican Party is that sometimes (certainly not always, but sometimes) their candidates are proponents of subsidiarity, which I think is a good, and Christian policy.
 
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As an aside: To me, as an outside "observer", both Republicans and Democrats are the two sides of the same coin. Surely there is no compulsion to support and/or vote for either of them?


More then 50 percent of us eligible voters don't vote, but that's stigmatized here, unfortunately. I don't even view the two parties as two sides of a coin, their the exact same thing to me.
 
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From what I hear (I don't live in the USA) the Republicans want to make access to contraception much more difficult. This may well have the effect of actually increasing the number of abortions, to say nothing of the number of women who would die in botched illegal abortions. (Even if there were no legal access to abortions, there would soon be a flourishing illegal abortion "industry".)

No, they don't want to make employers pay for it if it violates their faith. Progressives have turned that into limiting access when it's not; women would just have to buy it themselves.

As for the OP's question, those who are anti-religious (you can be an athiest or agnostic and NOT be anti-religious) tend to flock to the Dems. When you see Bill Mahr bash religion and then praise the Dems, it sends a message, right or wrong.
 
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This is not meant to be a flame; I truly don't get it. Why do the majority of Christians vote Republican? From my vantage point, it seems like Republican policy is precisely the opposite of Christian ethics. For example, Republican policy tends to:

1. Favor the rich over the poor

I'm not a Republican, but I can't find any evidence of this.

2. Be more in favor of war

I agree. Those Republicans, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson got us into the biggest waste of young men's lives in our history. And don't forget Harry Truman, the Republican that got us involved in Korea for some reason and who's "Truman Doctrine" laid the groundwork for Vietnam.

And then, there was that Republican, FDR, who provoked the Japanese into starting a war with us so that he could skirt public opinion and go to war in Europe. Going back even further, there was the Republican president, Woodrow Wilson, who got us into WWI.

Oh, but wait! Obviously, you don't mean those Republicans. You mean the Republicans who got us into the war in Iraq!

Yes, you obviously mean these Republicans:

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."—From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998.

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."—From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others.

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities"—From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002.

"Saddam's goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."—Madeline Albright, 1998.

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"—National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998.

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement."—Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."—Robert Byrd, October 2002.

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we."—Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002.

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs."—Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."—Bill Clinton in 1998.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."—Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002.

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."—Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003.

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people."—Tom Daschle in 1998.

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."—John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002.
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."—John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002.

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction."—**** Gephardt in September of 2002.

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."—Al Gore, 2002.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."—Bob Graham, December 2002.

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction."—Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."—Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002.

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."—Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."—John F. Kerry, Oct 2002.

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."—John Kerry, October 9, 2002.

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."—John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."—Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002.

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States."—Joe Lieberman, August, 2002.

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, United Nations inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons. Inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction."—Patty Murray, October 9, 2002.

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."—Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998.

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production."—Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources—something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002.

"Saddam's existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq's enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002.

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration's policy towards Iraq, I don't think there can be any question about Saddam's conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts."—Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

Darn those pesky Republicans!

Oh, wait...

3. Favor big businesses over public institutions

Which "public institutions" do you mean? Are you saying that politicians owe a greater allegience to the government than to their own citiziens?

4. Disregard the environment and taking care of the Earth

How is that the government's responsibility?

How is it that such anti-Christian policies have become part of a party platform so many Christians seem to support?

How are those things "anti-Christian"?
 
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This is not meant to be a flame; I truly don't get it. Why do the majority of Christians vote Republican? From my vantage point, it seems like Republican policy is precisely the opposite of Christian ethics. For example, Republican policy tends to:

1. Favor the rich over the poor
2. Be more in favor of war
3. Favor big businesses over public institutions
4. Disregard the environment and taking care of the Earth

...and so on. How is it that such anti-Christian policies have become part of a party platform so many Christians seem to support?
The problem is that both parties are fairly similar but we are tricked into thinking they are not. Neither one really and truly holds to the values they espouse. A few do, but most do not from what I am seeing.
 
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Out of curiousity, why is "favoring big businesses" bad, but favoring big government good?

It seems to me that things like free public schools for all students would be more "virtuous" to support than for-profit schools where some money would be siphoned away from the students.

As far as favoring the rich, the Republicans want to cut taxes on the very wealthy and then cut benefits to the very poor; the Democrats seem to want the reverse (higher taxes on the wealthy, more aid to the poor).

Even in reading these responses, it intrigues me that me saying something about Republican policy seems to be, to some responders, almost equal to an attack on their faith. That's concerning. It's almost like some Christians have confused their faith with a political party. At least that's how it seems to me.
 
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2. Yes, abortion trumps everything. Nothing is more important than life.

lol really? That's funny.

I don't vote Republican, generally. I'm not a single-issue voter, but I do support women's health care issues and women's rights.
 
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