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They were more focussed on various housework tasks and other things, and less on childhood development.!
I'm not saying anything about what your wife should have done or not done. My original point is that education has benefit beyond the workplace; working out what you want for your life and family ought to take that into account but doesn't dictate what you (plural) should do.
This is the quality bit, though. I read some research a while back that said that while my mother's generation worked outside the home less than mine, overall they spent less time one on one with their children than my generation. They were more focussed on various housework tasks and other things, and less on childhood development.
Now... let's take a look at what all this means. If mom and dad both go to work during the day, and children are in daycare or preschool (where they receive early childhood education and social skills), then everyone comes home and they have to make dinner, eat, clean up, do homework, play for a while, bathe, then go to bed. Who is it that still spends this time with the children?
About 20 years ago, my dad came over to my house because he wanted to make some amends. One of his amends was that he thought it was his "job" to supply the family with material needs, but he regretted not "being there" enough for my sister and me. All it would have taken was half an hour a day and a few hours on the weekends. Enough to create some good memories and establish a secure attachment.
As well, education level is not about helping with the homework. It has more to do with other life skills that parents naturally pass along to their children without thinking about it, such as valuing education, setting goals and completing them, working hard for what you want, delayed gratification, time management, internal locus of control, ability to focus, social skills, teamwork, respect for self and others, and many others. In fact, emotional intelligence is more important to life success than IQ, and because the brain does not stop growing until around age 25, post-secondary education is recommended - because it teaches EQ, SQ, and IQ. If a mother has learned all these things to a greater degree than someone who does not have a high level of education, who do you think is more equipped to pass all this along to their children?
No, it is not! But the program did help to see what the impact was while adjusting for income differences, so that is helpful. They found significant improvement.Tall, this isn't Norway.
However, it would also be interesting to see the results of studies where the husband/wife roles are reversed, where the dad stays at home the same as you propose the moms stay at home - and were just as engaged with their children as you expect moms to be = 100% of the time. Not going to happen. Thirty percent is enough, as long as it is time well-focused.
I'm also very fortunate. Being able to have my work space within the house means that even though I work a lot of hours, I'm here when the little miss gets home from school, and I can work flexibly so that (for example) I can go and volunteer in her classroom every so often. Lots of working parents wouldn't have that flexibility. There are drawbacks, too, of course, but I value having close integration of my work and home life.
Children who are adopted typically come from a place of deep trauma
It is also more challenging to establish a secure attachment with those children who are adopted .
When it comes to the phrase relating to “women having it all,” I think it’s one of the most misunderstood phrases thrown around with feminism. It doesn’t literally mean she can HAVE it all, anything she wants, without compromises and sacrifices and tough choices. It means that she can have it all in terms of her destiny. If she wants to go to college, she can. If she wants to stay home and be a wife, she can. If she wants a partner she has been with for 10 years and will spend the rest of her life with and not marry, she can. It’s up to her and she is not by virtue of her gender funneled into a preset destiny by virtue of her gender. She’s not married away by her father at 18 to have babies and stay home to raise another generation of future 18 year old wives and the men that marry them. She has a choice.
It’s like going to a buffet... When the server tells you at the table you can have it all, they don’t literally mean that you can load up your plate with every food and eat it and skip the bill and not make yourself so full you vomit. They mean you can have anything that’s up there, so choose what you like, pay the bill, and deal with the indigestion or the food coma or whatever comes with it.
I’m not unsympathetic to the issue that historically men themselves are largely relegated to working to support their family with no choices with quitting to live the life they want at home or traveling or whatever they do, and no, it’s not fair. As time has gone on things have changed and shifted a bit easier than it did for women initially simply because it’s a male-dominated society where they make and set the rules. A man who rebelled against constructs still has options. If a man was destroyed financially/career wise during the Great Depression he could adjust his sails, land in that Rockafeller-created social philanthropy field, head to a bank to try for a loan to start a business, enter into the arts... But in such a situation, women were just kind of stuck. If her husband failed, she failed along with him and had no means to help her, her husband, or her kids out.
Society right now isn’t fair for men in all ways, it’s not fair for women in all ways. I think the scales are evening out more than they have ever been, so with time I think we will see even more balance. I certainly don’t see, nor have I ever, how allowing women the ability to choose what’s best for their own lives is something that’s bad and despite all the huffing and puffing about the evils of feminism, the simple fact is most people in the US, including some of the people who rail against feminism here, are feminists. Almost 100% of the time I’ve seen people complain about feminism, how it’s bad, how it has ruined families, who throw around buzz phrases like feminism waves, who think feminism is about marginalizing men, they’re simply parroting misinformation without any true understanding of what feminism is or what it means. That’s why it’s hard to take some of these arguments seriously.
Ultimately, if you woke up this morning with a wife you chose who chose you too, and she goes about her day as she chooses in the life she constructs, who has an education and the ability to further it, or you have daughters you send to school or have homeschooled, and they work or dream of working, have chosen a career of their own without consideration of of its a field they’re allowed in, and you encourage them to marry a man who they love who treats them well and build the life they want for themselves... Congrats. You’re a feminist. Feminism is simply women being allowed the same choices in life as anybody else. Nothing more or less.
Secondly, I’m in a unique position where I’ve been the work at home Mom, the Mom who used sitters, the stay at home Mom, and pretty much every variable in between. I had one who started late to school and used almost no sitters ever, another who started school earlier and was at sitters 20ish hours a week, and a third who was at sitters off and on until he was 1.5 years old and then with me almost full time after that with no preschool. They all present their own unique challenges, they all have benefits, they all have pitfalls, and none of them mark one as a better parent than the other. And it’s not like you spend time with one and say “clearly that’s the one who was at daycare when he was 3...”
Ultimately, it’s better to make the choices that’s best for your family than to have your gender have your choices dictated for you. You’re a woman or man who works full time and had daycare because your family needs it? Woo-hoo! You stay home with your kids and take care of the house? Woo-hoo! You do you.
@DZoolander,
Now that might not be true for everybody (and any "one size fits all" model of fulfillment is going to have problems), but having the freedom to do different things, to change if they're not working, and to put yourself in the situation that is best for you is really precious and important.
And that doesn't happen if we default to, well, women are going to have and raise babies, so they don't need an education and should be discouraged from working. (Nor does it happen if we shoehorn men into the wrong work for them, either).
I 90 percent agree with this. I think though that where both sides are talking past each other is when you dismiss the "waves" of feminism.
You don't have to call them waves. You don't have to draw chronological distinctions. And the wave analogy is just a simplification, so I can see it being frustrating. It is used to convey the idea that feminism started out great, and then went a different direction. And in that sense it is not completely true as most feminists don't go too far. And the reality is that most men are fine with women having the ability to be educated, to choose their course in life, etc.
However, there are self-proclaimed feminists who do take it to another level. And while some find it helpful to chart the direction of the movement by waves, the reality is you have both traditional feminists who want and celebrate options for women, and you have radicals in the movement throughout the various times it has been around.
Some do characterize any association with marriage as patriarchal, and to be avoided. Some do discourage stay at home options, rather than just presenting all the options.
And at least recently, a higher percentage of these that gain prominence are found in higher education in gender studies departments. As such they often are the ones influencing people who go to those institutions.
And there is a backlash against it. But contrary to what many would expect the social backlash that I have seen is primarily from conservative atheists, not patriarchal Christians.
They look at the biological realities of women having to take time from the workforce, for late-stage pregnancy and birth, etc. They note the ability of women to breastfeed. And they look at the high levels of testosterone in men, associated with higher risk taking, less empathy, etc. showing that for younger children the mother is advantaged as the caregiver through the process of evolution.
And as such they do not see the historical arrangement of things as an oppressive patriarchy, but the best option available for men and women to work together and have a stable society, and a continuing population.
women are having a harder time finding someone with the same level of education as themselves (which they prefer). Either way they report frustration..
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