Why do Roman Catholics...

[christianmomof3]

I'm CC Because I found Christ and the CC talks about Christ every day in the Mass.

do you go to mass every day?

 

[lionroar0]

Actually, an oxymoron is two contradictory terms together -
I suppose someone on this board might be nasty and say that biblical Catholicism might be an oxymoron, but really, that is not correct.Most of the Christian religions - including Catholicism, are probably about 90% based on the Bible. There is only about 10% other stuff added in probably. It is how much emphasis that is placed on the 90% that agrees with the Bible and how much is placed on the 10% that is not that makes the difference. All Christian religions have much more in common than we do differences. We should focus on Christ and ignore the rest and we would be just fine and dandy.

The bible is based on Christianity not Christianity on the bible.

The oxymoron is that ppl base Christianity and measure Christianity by the bible. When the Bible was put together to agree with Christianity and to be used as a measure by Christianity not the bible to be used as a measure of Christianity and even to measure if one person or a group of ppl are Christians.

There's a subtle difference.

It's like putting the cart before the horse.

IF we focus on Christ and ignore the rest is also an Oxymoron.

The rest was given by Christ and it should be honored.

 

[lionroar0]

do you go to mass every day?

I used to but with my current overnight schedule. I'm unable to.

Sometimes I do make it every now and then.

 

[Rhamiel]

do you go to mass every day?

some people do
I try to go on sunday and when I can wake up in time i go friday morning
i work in the afternoon so morning mass is fine with me

 

[Standing Up]

The bible is based on Christianity not Christianity on the bible.

The oxymoron is that ppl base Christianity and measure Christianity by the bible. When the Bible was put together to agree with Christianity and to be used as a measure by Christianity not the bible to be used as a measure of Christianity and even to measure if one person or a group of ppl are Christians.

There's a subtle difference.

It's like putting the cart before the horse.

IF we focus on Christ and ignore the rest is also an Oxymoron.

The rest was given by Christ and it should be honored.

Even if we stroll down that road, you'd be hard-pressed to show any resemblance between the very early church and today's church (with RC as your plumbline that is).

 

[laconicstudent]

We'd certainly find a MUCH greater resemblance between the RCC, OO and EO and the Primitive Church then Protestants and the Primitive Church.

 

[tadoflamb]

well, here is the post of mine that you quoted the last line from:
Last week, I met a very dear sister in Christ who is from another country. In her country, the natives are very poor and live in very poor conditions. Most of them are Catholic. They drop out of school at young ages and the girls begin having babies at age 15 or so and by the time they are 26 they may have 6 young children living in poverty with them.
She and some other sisters have begun caring for these young mothers.
At first they just brought food.
Other people did that too.
Then they realized these women are also spiritually hungry.
They do not talk to them about being Catholic or the Catholic church at all. They never talk about that at all when they visit them.
They just bring food and bring their Bible and read through the book of Romans with them a little bit each visit.
Many of the natives are illiterate.
By the time they finish reading through the book of Romans with them, they have seen that they are sinners who need God and they confess their sins to God and pray to Him and are born again believers.
All without discussing the RCC or "Saints" or Mary or eucharist or any of that nonsense.

The op of this whole thread asked why RCC people talk about their church so much.

My last line referred to talking about the RCC church or talking about "Saints" or talking about Mary or the eucharist. Talking about those things to illiterate people who do not know the Lord is just nonsense. It will not bring them to know the Lord.

So, my responses were in view of talking about the church.

In real life, most Christians except for perhaps some evangelicals do tend to talk about their church or their pastor or the activities at their church rather than about Christ Himself.

Even on this forum, most of the posts are about things other than Christ Himself. They are about Catholics or any of the other Christian groups or denominations or baptism or eucharist or "Saints" or homosexuality or speaking in tongues or hell or biblical diet or the law etc...

The central thought of God is that we, as living vessels to contain God, should receive God in Christ as our life and life supply; be transformed into His image; and be built up together as a living Body to express Him - not for a bunch of people who call themselves Christians to argue about all of those other things.

Sorry, Cmom, I've still got the distinct impression you consider my most heart felt beliefs as nonsense.

However, if I'm talking about the Blessed Virgin Mary, I'm talking about the Mother of Christ. If I'm talking about the Saints, I'm talking about the friends of Christ. If I'm talking about the Eucharist I'm talking about the gift Christ left of Himself. It's not just a 'me and Jesus' type of relationship.

How much do you talk about Christ to other people? How much do you post about Christ as compared to posting about the RCC or doctrines or hell or something?

Do I have to prove myself to you somehow?

But since you asked so nicely, I talk Christ a lot. However, for me, Chrisitianity is more of a lifestyle than just talking about Jesus. Evangelization, for me, is a 24/7 type of activity. I never stop evangelizing. Sometimes I use words, sometimes I don't. What's interesting, is that the Catholic Church, through her network of charity, gives me ample opportunity to do such. I've witnessed no such thing coming from the protestant tradition.

As to my posting style, most of my energy is spent confronting the anti-Catholic spin which seems so prevelant among some ilks of protestantism. From my laymans point of view, it seems some protestants preach more against Catholicism than they do about Christ. As a Catholic, I've never really had that problem. At mass, the whole movement is pointed towards Christ and protestantism barely ever merits a mention.

And that's the main difference between Catholics and protestants. Protestants have to focus on their personal relationship with God, because that's where their faith begins and ends. Catholics are called into relationship with the entire family of God. That's why we like to talk about the Church.

In a nutshell, protestantism exalts the individual while Catholicism exalts the revelation of Jesus Christ which subsists in it's fullness within the Catholic Church.

 

[lionroar0]

Even if we stroll down that road, you'd be hard-pressed to show any resemblance between the very early church and today's church (with RC as your plumbline that is).

And what's the plumb line? An exact duplicate of the church 2000yrs. ago?

 

[lionroar0]

We'd certainly find a MUCH greater resemblance between the RCC, OO and EO and the Primitive Church then Protestants and the Primitive Church.

I agree as 2000yrs has passed no church is going to be an exact match.

Our Sunday clothes would be tunics,sandals and a walking stick. For those that had to travel.

 

[Secundulus]

Just a quick question for you, if you will kindly answer it for me. Of those Protestants in the first category, will they be spending more time, less time, or roughly equal time in Purgatory as the average Catholic?

Thanks.

I don't know. I expect it depends on the state of your sanctification at the moment of death.

 

[Rick Otto]

The bible is based on Christianity not Christianity on the bible.

The oxymoron is that ppl base Christianity and measure Christianity by the bible. When the Bible was put together to agree with Christianity and to be used as a measure by Christianity not the bible to be used as a measure of Christianity and even to measure if one person or a group of ppl are Christians.

There's a subtle difference.

It's like putting the cart before the horse.

IF we focus on Christ and ignore the rest is also an Oxymoron.

The rest was given by Christ and it should be honored.

Doesn't seem so subtle from here.
People who measure put together a ruler, and measure themselves & everything else with it.
Same for God's truth.
God given truths & rulers in men's hands give varying results as men are varied.
Focusing on Christ is safer than all the rest, and all the rest is measured by Him.

 

[Rick Otto]

I don't know. I expect it depends on the state of your sanctification at the moment of death.

What generalization can you make about the state of their sanctification if they die doing unrepentantly what you've said they do (in your op).

 

[Rose_bud]

Catholics consider their churches as consecrated ground. Once we cross the threshold, we enter into sacred time and space. The Blessed Sacrament (Jesus Christ, truly present in the Holy Eucharist) is kept in reserve in our tabernacles. That's why we cross ourselves when we pass a Catholic church. As Catholics, our personal relationship with Christ goes a little further than ourselves. That's why we don't cross ourselves when we pass each other.

This is partly the reason why they stoned Stephen…
However, the most High dwells not in temples made with hands; as said the prophet,
Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will you build me? said the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Consecrated(set apart for the Lord)
The body of believers are the Church, set apart for the Lord. Our aim should be that Jesus Christ should be “truly present” in our lives.

The Cross is evident in our lives when we die daily to our selfish needs and desires, and allow Christ to “live” in and through us.


I commend you on a personal relationship with Christ that focuses on Christ and not yourself or your building…

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Talk about their church all the time?




Evangelicals talk about Christ all the time. Quite a difference.

The Church is the Body of Christ. The Church is in Christ and Christ is in the Church.

The Church is Christ and Christ is the Church.

Talking about Christ is talking about the Church and talking about the Church is talking about Christ.

Christ is my brother and I am God's child. I am in the family of God. I am in the Church. The Church is the Kingdom of Heaven.

If I speak of the Kingdom of Heaven then I speak of the Church.

The Church is the assembly of Christians. Christians are made in the image of God. Christians are reborn in His likeness. We are reborn into Christ. All Christians are the Church.


WoW!

How can one seperate Christ from the Church or the Church from Christ?
Wouldn't that be like seperating the Head from the Body?

 

[DD2008]

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If I speak of the Kingdom of Heaven then I speak of the Church.

Not the Roman Catholic Church. Rome doesn't have a monopoly on Heaven.

 

[christianmomof3]

However, if I'm talking about the Blessed Virgin Mary, I'm talking about the Mother of Christ. If I'm talking about the Saints, I'm talking about the friends of Christ. If I'm talking about the Eucharist I'm talking about the gift Christ left of Himself.

Have you ever spoken about those things to a non-Christian and through talking about them led someone to the Lord who did not know Him before?

From my laymans point of view, it seems some protestants preach more against Catholicism than they do about Christ.

Is that in real life or on this forum? Sadly it seems that on this form people spend much more time arguing about why their beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong than they do enjoying Christ and sharing their enjoyment of Him.

And that's the main difference between Catholics and protestants. Protestants have to focus on their personal relationship with God, because that's where their faith begins and ends. Catholics are called into relationship with the entire family of God. That's why we like to talk about the Church.
In a nutshell, protestantism exalts the individual while Catholicism exalts the revelation of Jesus Christ which subsists in it's fullness within the Catholic Church.

And that is an example of what I stated above. Here is why you think your church and set of beliefs is better than other people's churches and it includes a broad sweeping generalization that all non-Catholics and non Orthodox are "protestant" and therefore all have the same beliefs and all are individualistic and substandard compared to your particular group.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

The Church is the Body of Christ. The Church is in Christ and Christ is in the Church.

The Church is Christ and Christ is the Church.

Talking about Christ is talking about the Church and talking about the Church is talking about Christ.

Christ is my brother and I am God's child. I am in the family of God. I am in the Church. The Church is the Kingdom of Heaven.

If I speak of the Kingdom of Heaven then I speak of the Church.

The Church is the assembly of Christians. Christians are made in the image of God. Christians are reborn in His likeness. We are reborn into Christ. All Christians are the Church.


WoW!

How can one seperate Christ from the Church or the Church from Christ?
Wouldn't that be like seperating the Head from the Body?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not the Roman Catholic Church. Rome doesn't have a monopoly on Heaven.

Neither do the Jews or Greeks

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/1_update.html

"If I were younger I would want to learn this language [i.e. Hebrew], for without it one can never properly understand the Holy Scripture….
For that reason they have said correctly: 'The Jews drink out of the original spring, The Greeks drink out of the stream flowing out of the stream, The Latins, however, out of the puddle.'"
--Martin Luther (1483-1546)

 

[Secundulus]

What generalization can you make about the state of their sanctification if they die doing unrepentantly what you've said they do (in your op).

If they are unrepentedly sinning willfully with full knowledge of their wrong then they have to answer to God for it.

 

[Rick Otto]

The early Apostolic Church that recorded what the Apostles taught them.

Like when to celebrate Easter?
Like where Jesus made Peter a pope?