Why do Roman Catholics...

[LittleLambofJesus]

I love the bible too and it's relevant to my every day life. I have my own personal wolves, as well as [COLOR=red]pharisees and scribes.[/COLOR] [B]They're pretty easy to recognize[/B]. 
 
[/quote][SIZE=3]Yeah....your Denomination gets a pretty bad rap on that from what I have seen[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=3][B]For the Last Time, Roman Catholics Aren't the Pharisees![/B][/SIZE]
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For the love of all that is holy people, drop the bigotry and villianizations!

Our Lord's critique of the Pharisees was based on a view of the law that lacked any attention to the intentions behind our good deeds, and their ethnocentric form of Judaism that strictly seperated Jews and Gentiles- something highly inappropriate and indeed damning in the new era.

That is [I]not[/I] what Catholics do! Haven't you ever read St. Thomas Aquinas? Do you even know what he is? According to Catholic doctrine, derived from the Scriptures, good works that lack right intentions are worthless.

Or do you just wish to villianize Christian traditions that practice formal liturgies in their worship and sacramental forms of piety because you don't understand them and think they're just 'going through the motions'?

I wonder how many evangelicals are just 'going through the motions' when they 'give the Lord a big round of applause' or clap their hands to upbeat worship music.

Seriously, I find that whole line of argument highly offense.

 

[tadoflamb]

As it does to you and your Denomination

The Catholic Church isn't a denomination, it's the Church established by Jesus Christ.

Personally, I can't really draw a comparison between that and the individual who has a singular, and individual belief system, as seems to be the trend in modern western Christianity.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Just curious, how are the seven churches in asia seen as? They wouldnt be considered denominations, would they, even though they held within them rebukable things and other doctrines right?

 

[tadoflamb]

I missed that post.
(she's still learning, just like the rest of us)


But that last paragraph on the post I quoted her on was COOL!



Wonder why she called it that though.

I didn't.

So, let's review. So far, I'm deceived, apostate, heretical, a front for Satan, illiterate, and now my most deepest and sincerely held beliefs are called nonsense.

What should I make of this?

Ironically, as low of an opinion as I have of some protestants, I have a more favorable view of them than they do of us.

Remember, these are the people who are trying to teach us about Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I didn't.

So, let's review. So far, I'm deceived, apostate, heretical, a front for Satan, illiterate, and now my most deepest and sincerely held beliefs are called nonsense.

What should I make of this?

Ironically, as low of an opinion as I have of some protestants, I have a more favorable view of them than they do of us.

Remember, these are the people who are trying to teach us about Christ.

Well, we are afterall Christians

Acts 26:28 The yet Agrippa toward Paul said "in few me thou are persuading a Christian/RC/Protestant to become"?

http://www.christianforums.com/t6982422-66/#post44368331
Are Protestants Christians?

 

[tadoflamb]

Yeah....your Denomination gets a pretty bad rap on that from what I have seen.

The Catholic Church isn't a denomination.

But, yeah, it's pretty weird being a part of Catholic life, partaking in the Sacraments, caring for our neighbors in need, and growing as a community in faith, hope and charity, and then have to deal with such intense antagonism from our separated brethren.

But, we know a tree by it's fruits, dont' we?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

The Catholic Church isn't a denomination.
But, we know a tree by it's fruits, dont' we?

I suppose we could debate that also

http://www.christianforums.com/t6948799/
Roman Catholic and Orthodox denominations?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7230052-22/#post46816576
Apparently --Catholics are now a "Denomination"

 

[tadoflamb]

Well, we are afterall Christians

I know that.

But, according to some, I'm deceived, apostate, heretical, a front for Satan, etc. etc.

I wouldn't make the mistake of assuming they think I'm Christian.

What kills me, is this is God's own, self-proclaimed elect!

No wonder it took me forty years to finally answer the call of God.

His voice is lost in the din of protestant denominationalism.

 

[tadoflamb]

I suppose we could debate that also

Where's denominationalism in the bible?

 

[Fireinfolding]

The Catholic Church isn't a denomination.

But, yeah, it's pretty weird being a part of Catholic life, partaking in the Sacraments, caring for our neighbors in need, and growing as a community in faith, hope and charity, and then have to deal with such intense antagonism from our separated brethren.

But, we know a tree by it's fruits, dont' we?

I think you know indiivuals by their fruit, the label caths or prots are just people who claim to abide in Christ, people not exempt from equally being known by their fruits, and on an individual basis.

Just as there are child molestor preists in one there is the same in the other and all that bad comparsion stuff we see made online. Basically theres no differnce in that dept either.

 

[Standing Up]

I didn't.

So, let's review. So far, I'm deceived, apostate, heretical, a front for Satan, illiterate, and now my most deepest and sincerely held beliefs are called nonsense.

What should I make of this?

Ironically, as low of an opinion as I have of some protestants, I have a more favorable view of them than they do of us.

Remember, these are the people who are trying to teach us about Christ.

You're speaking of this "The Catholic Church isn't a denomination.", but the one and only one established by Jesus, even going so far as calling protestants communities and not churches?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Where's denominationalism in the bible?

Great question!

Luke 12:51 Ye are supposing that Peace I came to give in the land.
Nay! I am saying to ye, but rather Division

1Corinthians 11:18 For foremost indeed of coming together ye in *the assembly I am hearing schisms/divisions in ye to be firstly, and part some I am believing it.

Reve 6:4 And came forth another fiery horse, and to the one sitting on him was given to him to be taking the Peace from the land
and that one another they should be slaying and was given to him a great sword.
[Matt 10:34/Ezekiel 38:21]

 

[Standing Up]

Where's denominationalism in the bible?

Those carnal, baby Christians--I am of Cephas, I am of Apollos ...

 

[Fireinfolding]

What kills me, is this is God's own, self-proclaimed elect!

Most churches proclaim themselves as elect, the ..."we are the full truth" etc, I just ignore it lol

 

[Fireinfolding]

Those carnal, baby Christians--I am of Cephas, I am of Apollos ...

 

[Standing Up]

Most churches proclaim themselves as elect, the ..."we are the full truth" etc, I just ignore it lol

I suppose if someone came out and said I preach falsehood it'd be too obvious. Wolves IN sheep clothing.

 

[Secundulus]

Those carnal, baby Christians--I am of Cephas, I am of Apollos ...

I am of Luther
I am of Calvin
I am of Cranmer

Yeah . . . right

 

[Fireinfolding]

I suppose if someone came out and said I preach falsehood it'd be too obvious. Wolves IN sheep clothing.

How can you get a following with a line like that right?

Would be nice though if scripture said, the serpent was always obvious huh?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I suppose if someone came out and said I preach falsehood it'd be too obvious. Wolves IN sheep clothing.

Those were entering in even before the RCC was set up

Matthew 23:4 "For they are binding burdens, weighty/barea <926> and ill-bearing. And they are placing upon the shoulders of the men, to the yet finger of them, not are willing to move them".

Acts 20:29 "For I have-perceived this.
That shall be entering after the departure of me, wolves, weighty/bareiV <926>, into ye, no sparing of-the shepherded/flock/poimniou <4168>"
[Matt 23:4/Philip 3:2]

 

[Fireinfolding]

Those were entering in even before the RCC was set up

Matthew 23:4 "For they are binding burdens, weighty/barea <926> and ill-bearing. And they are placing upon the shoulders of the men, to the yet finger of them, not are willing to move them".

Acts 20:29 "For I have-perceived this.
That shall be entering after the departure of me, wolves, weighty/bareiV <926>, into ye, no sparing of-the shepherded/flock/poimniou <4168>"
[Matt 23:4/Philip 3:2]

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