Why do Roman Catholics...

[DD2008]

Talk about their church all the time?




Evangelicals talk about Christ all the time. Quite a difference.

 

[ProScribe]

Because the Catholic Church has kept all the traditions and doctrines for hundreds and hundred of years.

 

[Standing Up]

Those of the schisms, I am of Cephas, I am of Apollos, ... carnal men Paul said.

 

[judechild]

Well, you see, we do talk about Christ all the time; the Mass is centered on Christ, His Sacrifice, and the mysteries of Redemption. The Mass, thanks to time-zones, is always going on, hence, we are always talking about and living in the mysteries of Christ.

Sometimes, on internet forums, some people have a tendancy to belittle the Catholic Church, or tell Catholics that their Church is the harlot of Babylon. There are some who are perhaps a bit less dramatic who simply have some ideas about Catholicism that are deeply ingrained, and they cannot believe that these ideas could possibly be wrong, and so they argue with Catholics about what they think Catholics should believe about what they believe. This necessitates the Catholic to talk about his or her Church and her teachings.

In my experience, the evangelical spends more time talking about their ideas of the Catholic Church, then the Catholic spends talking about anything.

 

[tadoflamb]

Talk about their church all the time?

Evangelicals talk about Christ all the time. Quite a difference.

Because the Catholic Church has the full revelation of Jesus Christ.

Evangelicals talk about their personal revelation of Jesus Christ, which varies from evangelical to evangelical.

Quite a difference.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Talk about their church all the time?

They don't. Unless the topic of conversation warrants it, but I find that is often forced upon us from the outside (see: this forum).

 

[DD2008]

I was a Catholic and every thing was always the church says this or that or rosary this or that. Not a lot about Christ really. Evangelism consisted of trying to get people to join the RCC instead of just leading them to Christ.

However, the first thing and evangelical will ask you is if you know Christ, and if you don't they'll introduce you to him.

 

[blessedmomof5]

Can i ask aquestion also? we were at a funeral the other day and it was in a catholic church, i found it 1. odd there were NO Bibles
2. you could not recieve communion unless you were catholic in faith, now if i recall correctly, at the Last supper Jesus did not say you need to first be a member of my church or else we will exclude you...No everyone in that room recieve the bread and wine, same thing with baptism and now this goes for any faith that requires you to become a member of their church to be baptized, Did john the baptist require that first?

 

[judechild]

I was a Catholic and every thing was always the church says this or that or rosary this or that. Not a lot about Christ really. Evangelism consisted of trying to get people to join the RCC instead of just leading them to Christ.

I'm sorry you have a negative impression. The reason the Church seeks to have people enter the Church is because of the Sacraments and the Eucharist; if you believed Jesus was truely present in the Eucharist, wouldn't you see it as the truest evangelism to desire to help a person reach that? Literally, it would be "leading them to Christ."

However, the first thing and evangelical will ask you is if you know Christ, and if you don't they'll introduce you to him.

They will introduce me to Christ as they know him, but so will the Morman or the Witness. In my experience, the Evangelical claims to know my relationship to the Father, and judges me accordingly.

 

[DD2008]

Can i ask aquestion also? we were at a funeral the other day and it was in a catholic church, i found it 1. odd there were NO Bibles
2. you could not recieve communion unless you were catholic in faith, now if i recall correctly, at the Last supper Jesus did not say you need to first be a member of my church or else we will exclude you...No everyone in that room recieve the bread and wine, same thing with baptism and now this goes for any faith that requires you to become a member of their church to be baptized, Did john the baptist require that first?

They teach you can only receive communion in a state of grace, which means you have recently confessed and haven't sinned yet to mess it up. If you have sinned you're not supposed to take communion or you'll commit sacrilege. If you're not a member of the Roman Catholic Church you're not supposed to receive communion without the permission of the bishop of that diocese. If you do, you commit sacrilege by profaning the eucharist which they teach is literally the flesh and blood of Christ, though it looks like bread and wine. They believe there is no salvation outside the RCC because it's the only place to receive the real eucharist, because it's the only place where priests have valid holy orders. So they have made themselves the only people with the authority to give you Christ. They do say that if people don't "know" that Rome is the true church then those people can get off the hook with a few thousand years in purgatory....

They have entirely missed the gospel that we are saved by faith in Christ who died for us instead they have replaced it by saying we are saved by receiveing Roman Catholic "sacraments" that they made up to control people..

I believe it is a profane institution.

 

[Dark_Lite]

I was a Catholic and every thing was always the church says this or that or rosary this or that. Not a lot about Christ really. Evangelism consisted of trying to get people to join the RCC instead of just leading them to Christ.

However, the first thing and evangelical will ask you is if you know Christ, and if you don't they'll introduce you to him.

You were indeed Catholic, and yet you show a consistent misunderstanding of what Catholicism actually teaches. I am wondering how much you listened at Mass, because the entire thing is an exhortation unto Jesus. The sheer amount of symbolism in the Mass that points to Christ, the Father, the Holy Spirit, and the Trinity is staggering. Even most church buildings are built in the shape of a cross.

The Tridentine Mass has even more symbolism that points towards Christ (in my opinion). Sign of the cross 52 times, practically every prayer within the Mass directed at the Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit. The invocation of the Saints of course end in Jesus' name.

Really, I think you are basing your entire idea on pretty much nothing except your own subjective experience which has been warped due to what you currently think about Catholicism.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Can i ask aquestion also? we were at a funeral the other day and it was in a catholic church, i found it 1. odd there were NO Bibles

Shrug. You will instead find the Misalette. It has the readings for the Masses of the liturgical year, along with the order of Mass. I mean, it's not like you're going to be hanging out reading your Bible while everyone else is participating in the Mass. There's nothing stopping you from bringing your own Bible either.

2. you could not recieve communion unless you were catholic in faith, now if i recall correctly, at the Last supper Jesus did not say you need to first be a member of my church or else we will exclude you...No everyone in that room recieve the bread and wine, same thing with baptism and now this goes for any faith that requires you to become a member of their church to be baptized, Did john the baptist require that first?

The reason why Catholics (and some other denominations like Lutheranism) practice closed communion is because communion is viewed to be the most vital sacrament, and the center of the faith. To commune means you are in union with one another. In this case, it means union of belief. If you are not in communion with a church, why would you commune in it?

They teach you can only receive communion in a state of grace, which means you have recently confessed and haven't sinned yet to mess it up. If you have sinned you're not supposed to take communion or you'll commit sacrilege.

A bit blunt, but basically correct.

If you're not a member of the Roman Catholic Church you're not supposed to receive communion without the permission of the bishop of that diocese. If you do, you commit sacrilege by profaning the eucharist

Not entirely true. The Orthodox, the Polish National Catholic Church, and a select few other groups can freely commune at Catholic Churches. However, those churches often have their own rules regarding reception of Catholic communion, particularly the Orthodox, who forbid it.

which they teach is literally the flesh and blood of Christ, though it looks like bread and wine.

Yes.

They believe there is no salvation outside the RCC

No salvation outside the Church, but has been discussed numerous times before, what constitutes the Church is not a simple question to answer.

because it's the only place to receive the real eucharist, because it's the only place where priests have valid holy orders. So they have made themselves the only people with the authority to give you Christ.

No. The Orthodox, most Old Catholic lineages, and arguably some Anglican lineages are believed to have valid apostolic succession and thus valid holy orders and thus valid sacraments.

They do say that if people don't "know" that Rome is the true church then those people can get off the hook with a few thousand years in purgatory....

That's your misconceptions talking.

 

[Dark_Lite]

I think the catholic mass is sacreligious.

That's nice.

The bread and wine do not transubstantiate into Christ.

Is this kind of like the magic satan sense that some people have where they can immediately tell all Marian apparitions are demonic?

I have studied the mass and the symbolism. Don't worry.

Then why do you constantly make proclamations against it that are not true? If you have truly studied the symbolism of the Mass, then you will recognize that Jesus is symbolized in it, even if it is in a way you disagree with or think is sacreligious.

Most catholics, however, have no idea what is going on at mass, nor do they care. They show up, get their wafer and head for the door. You guys might as well have left it in latin.

Which is a sad state of affairs. Religious education in the West is fairly bad these days. Catholicism is not a religion one can just walk into and immediately understand everything. It is very deep and very complex.

 

[Eucharisted]

You need to bibledown, man. This isn't a bibleocracy. Biblechristians can biblespeak about the bible whenever they biblewant to. Unless you biblewant the BibleGod to smite your biblebutt with a punishment of biblebiblical proportions, I biblesuggest you biblecool off.

Catholics talk about the Church, Protestants talk about the Bible.

 

[judechild]

Can i ask aquestion also? we were at a funeral the other day and it was in a catholic church, i found it 1. odd there were NO Bibles

DD2008, should I talk about my Church?

In the Catholic Church, we have what is called "liturgy." A part of this liturgy is that there is a three-year cycle of readings from Scripture (you may have noticed that during the Mass, there were two readings - one from the Epistles, and one from the Gospel). Because every Church reads the same Scriptures on the same day, we have what are called "Missals." The missals (or missalettes) contain the readings for the day so all you need to do is find the section for that day and you're all set. These missals were probably in front of you in the pews, or under the seat.

If a person were to attend Mass every day for three years, he would hear the entire Bible.

2. you could not recieve communion unless you were catholic in faith, now if i recall correctly, at the Last supper Jesus did not say you need to first be a member of my church or else we will exclude you...No everyone in that room recieve the bread and wine,

We have a different understanding of two things:
1) That the Communion we recieve is really and truely the Body and Blood of Christ; Saint Paul warns "Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. / A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. / For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27-29). And so, we try to make sure that a person who recieves is "discerning."

2) It is also the greatest sign of unity, since in it we become "one body and one Spirit" (Eph. 4:4). At the moment, such close union is not believed to overtly exist between us; it is sad, and we should work to improve it, but that is currently the case.

same thing with baptism and now this goes for any faith that requires you to become a member of their church to be baptized, Did john the baptist require that first?

Baptism brings a person into fellowship with the Church, since Jesus' mission was to restore us into a good relationship with God, and therefore, to each other; through Baptism, "we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death[.] / We were indeed buried with him through Baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life" (Rom. 6:3-4). So, it makes since that Baptism would also be the entrance rite into the Church.

 

[DD2008]

That's nice.

Thanks

Is this kind of like the magic satan sense that some people have where they can immediately tell all Marian apparitions are demonic?

Marian apparitions are demonic.

Then why do you constantly make proclamations against it that are not true? If you have truly studied the symbolism of the Mass, then you will recognize that Jesus is symbolized in it, even if it is in a way you disagree with or think is sacreligious.

I haven't made any proclaimations that aren't true. I have studied the religion in depth. I was even once one of the Knights of Columbus. It is wrong and you are blinded like most cult members.

Which is a sad state of affairs. Religious education in the West is fairly bad these days. Catholicism is not a religion one can just walk into and immediately understand everything. It is very deep and very complex.

You know what, paul spread the gospel pretty easy, people today are spreading the gospel pretty easy. You know why? The gospel is easy! Christ died for us he rose from the dead and sits at the right hand of God today as our precious advocate. We place our faith in him and his work and we are saved period! That's the gospel. Rome is just endless in its complications and red tape. It's truely dead and isn't reaching a lost world for Christ. It is hurting people and leading them away from Christ.

 

[judechild]

It's truely dead and isn't reaching a lost world for Christ. It is hurting people and leading them away from Christ.

Don't let my orphan friend who's cared for by a Catholic priest see that...

 

[DD2008]

Not entirely true. The Orthodox, the Polish National Catholic Church, and a select few other groups can freely commune at Catholic Churches. However, those churches often have their own rules regarding reception of Catholic communion, particularly the Orthodox, who forbid it.

It's the same thing, those in communion with Rome.

Yes.

Absurd.

No salvation outside the Church, but has been discussed numerous times before, what constitutes the Church is not a simple question to answer.

Benedict proclaimed that protestants don't have the right to be called churches. The general belief is that all groups are tied to the true church of rome by their baptism and if people become aware that Rome is the true church and decide not to join it they are damned. The rest have no hope of going straight to heaven, they will go through purgatory, only a devout fully sanctified member of the RCC will die and go straight up...it's terrible beliefs.

No. The Orthodox, most Old Catholic lineages, and arguably some Anglican lineages are believed to have valid apostolic succession and thus valid holy orders and thus valid sacraments.

A stupid notion that Christ is fenced in by holy orders. He is the advocate of every man, no one needss a priest to have a relationship with him, and everyone who sits under the teaching of the apostles (the New Testament) are successors of them.

That's your misconceptions talking.

Actually that's your blindnes talking.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Talk about their church all the time?




Evangelicals talk about Christ all the time. Quite a difference.

Well this is the theology forums after all. Otherwise to the Catholic person the church is Christ and Christ is the church, the two words are synonymous to them. To us Protestants though we see the church as being more personal, each and everyone of us are churches in our own right, it isn't some outside body or institution like the Catholics believe but its within us.

 

[Eucharisted]

ITT: People use their own theologies to judge the theologies of others, rather than use evidence to back up their claims.