Why do Protestants re-baptize?

[linssue55]

Does it work the other way? If I had an adult believer's baptism and I felt called into a church which practices infant baptism, would I need to be rebaptized?

Baptism is not needed...Period. and if an infant dies they are automatically saved, because they did not reach God conscienceness before they died. If they had lived to reach this conscienceness, then at that point they are to reject or accept Christ as Savior from their own free will.

 

[PaladinValer]

Odd, the Early Church thought baptism was needed. The Church Fathers all thought so too, including those who were directly taught by the Apostles themselves.

Seem like either the Apostles lied (and Christianity is forfeit) or baptism is required.

Since the former isn't acceptable, and that the historical evidence points to the latter, I'll pick the latter.

 

[Veritas]

Baptism is not needed...Period. and if an infant dies they are automatically saved, because they did not reach God conscienceness before they died. If they had lived to reach this conscienceness, then at that point they are to reject or accept Christ as Savior from their own free will.

Where does it say any of this in scripture?

 

[BlackSaab52]

Baptism is not needed...Period. and if an infant dies they are automatically saved, because they did not reach God conscienceness before they died. If they had lived to reach this conscienceness, then at that point they are to reject or accept Christ as Savior from their own free will.

How about you prove this from Scripture. You should probably read Acts 8, too, and, well, the rest of the New Testament. And by "God consciousness", what exactly do you mean? Is this the same thing as the age of accountibility?

 

[Lynn73]

I find it hard to picture God tossing little babies into hell just because someone failed to dunk them in water. God cares more about whether they've been dunked than about the baby themselves, who cannot make any kind of decision either way? I somehow don't think so.

 

[Melethiel]

Rebaptizing = wrong.

 

[PaladinValer]

Lynn's most recent post is void, because it assumes something that is not true.

 

[Joykins]

Nobody has answered my question, yet. If I were to join a church that had a different understanding of baptism, than the church in which I was baptized (a Brethren sect), would I need to be rebaptized?

 

[A New Dawn]

Nobody has answered my question, yet. If I were to join a church that had a different understanding of baptism, than the church in which I was baptized (a Brethren sect), would I need to be rebaptized?

Depends on what you believe and if they require it.

 

[Melethiel]

Nobody has answered my question, yet. If I were to join a church that had a different understanding of baptism, than the church in which I was baptized (a Brethren sect), would I need to be rebaptized?

Not to my knowledge. I'm assuming you mean going from a nondenom/anabaptist church to one that has a more sacramental view of baptism. If so, then no, you would not need to be rebaptized, as long as the sect wasn't heretical (like the Mormons).

 

[ForgivenToo]

It is possible that some people are rebaptized because the first time they were baptized they were not baptized in Jesus Name. I know that Catholics baptize in the name of the father son and holy spirit, while Pentecostals believe that you must be baptized in JESUS name per Acts 2:38.

 

[linssue55]

Black 52-Veritas.....


The 40 things we receive at Salvation.......

01. Immputed Righteousness..... Rom 4: 3-5
02. Justification.....Rom. 3: 24-30
03. Regeneration .....John 3: 1-12, Titus 3:5, Rom 8:16, 1 cor 2-14
04. Human Spirit.....Rom 8:16, 1 Cor 2:14
05. Imputed Everlasting Life.....John 5: 11-12
06. Baptism of the Holy Spirit.....Rom 8: 1-2, Rom 8: 38-39, 1 Cor 15:2, 1 Cor 12:13, John 5: 11-12
07. Propitiation.....Ex 25: 17-22, Heb 9:4, 1 John 2: 2
08. Reconcilliation.....Rom 5:10, 2 Cor 5:18-19
09. Redemtion.....1 peter 1: 18-19
10. Forgiveness.....Isaiah 43: 25, Isaiah 44:22, Eph 1: 7, Col 1: 14
11. Removal of Condemnation.....John 3:18, Rom 8: 1-3
12. Removal of Domination of the Old Sin Nature.....Rom 6:6-12
13. Removal of Satan's Power.....Col 1: 12-13, 1 John 5: 19, Eph 6:11-12, Eph 2: 1-2, Gal 1: 12-13
14. Freedom from the Penalty of the Mosaic Law.....Rom 3: 8, Rom 8:2, Gal 3: 10-13
15. Identification with Jesus Christ.....Rom 6: 3-12, Gal 2: 20,
16. Indwelling of God the Father.....John 14: 23, Eph 4:6, John 14: 23
17. Indwelling of Jesus Christ.....John 14: 20, Rom 8: 10, 2 Cor 5: 3, Col 1: 27
18. Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.....1 Cor 6: 19-20, Math 3: 11, John 14: 7, Rom 5: 5, Rom 8:9, Gal 3:2
19. Sealing of your Salvation.....Eph 4: 30, Tim 2: 19, Eph 1: 13
20. Circumcision of the Soul.....1 Cor 7: 17-24, Jer 4: 4, Rom 2: 29, Deut 10: 16-17
21. Unseen Assets.....Eph 1: 2-6
22. Judgement of Sins.....1 Pet 2: 24, Rom 4: 251 John 1: 9
23. Royal Adoption.....Rom 8: 15, Rom 8: 23
24. Eternal Relationship to God.....Eph 2: 13, James 4: 8, Heb 10: 25
25. We are on the Rock Jesus Christ.....2 Cor 1: 21; 2, Cor 3: 11, Eph 2: 26. 26. We are a Gift to Christ.....John 17: 5, John 17: 11-12, John 17: 20, John 10: 29
27. Royal Priesthood.....Peter 2: 5, Peter 2: 9, Rev 1: 6
28. We are a Chosen Generation.....1 Peter 2: 9, Titus 2: 14
29. Access to God.....Eph 2: 18, Rom 5: 2, Heb 4: 14, Heb 10: 19-20
30. We are under God's Care.....Eph 2: 4, Eph 5: 2, 31.
31. We are His Inheritance.....Eph 1: 18
32. We Inherit Christ's Eternal Future.....1 Pet 1: 14, Eph 4: 14, Col 3: 24, Heb 9: 15
33. We have a Heavenly Partnership and Association.....Col 3: 4, 1 John 5: 11-12, Eph 2:6, 1 Cor 1: 9, 1 Cor 3: 9, 2 Cor 3: 3, 2 Cor 3: 6, 2 Cor 5: 20, @ cor 6: 4
34. We Become Heavenly Citizens.....Eph 2: 19, Phill 3: 20-21
35. We Become Members of the Royal Family of God....Eph 2: 19, Eph 3: 5, Gal 6: 10
36. We are the Light in the Lord.....Eph 5: 8, Thess 5: 4
37. We are United to the Trinity.....1 Cor 12: 13, John 15: 5, Eph 2: 19, Eph 2: 22, Eph 5: 25-27, 1 Peter 2: 5-9
38. We are Glorified.....Rom 8: 30
39. We are Complete in Him.....Col 2: 10
40. We Recieve a Guardian Angel.....Heb 1: 14

No's....6, 16, 17, 18 etc.

God conscienceness means....we have to reach a certain human IQ to understand who and what God is...babies don't even know Mom and Dad yet.

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[linssue55]

Nobody has answered my question, yet. If I were to join a church that had a different understanding of baptism, than the church in which I was baptized (a Brethren sect), would I need to be rebaptized?

If you continue to DENY the baptism of the Holy Spirit...I do not know,what you should or should not do..for I would never do it, to me it would blaspheem God the Holy Spirit.

 

[Llauralin]

Believe me, this has been a subject of alot of prayer. At this point in time I have not been lead to be re-baptized. Part of it may have to do with the churches view of baptism. To them it is not symbolic--it is essential to salvation. They believe that salvation comes from being united with Christ and this union ONLY occurs in the waters of full immersion baptism. I do not share this belief. For me to be baptized in this church would be a lie.

(and before anyone suggests going to another church--I would but circumstances dictate I go with the rest of the family)

Really? That's interesting, since as far as I can tell most churches that believe in baptism as a reality also tend to accept the baptism of other trinitarian churches. To do otherwise is to say that the faith praciticed in the church you formerly attended does not lead to salvation, wouldn't it?



I'm not sure about the whole re-baptizing thing in protestant churches. Veratas, you should probably find out what kinds of churches actually do this, since the majority of protestants don't seem to do so. I don't really understand my church's attitude towards baptism; it seems to be purely optional, and new converts are not strongly urged to get baptized. At a youth camp the youth pastor re-baptized some people, and re-baptised some other people, without asking who were who, or anything else for that matter. *shrug* I don't really get it; it seems like we ought only get baptised once, unless it was some bizarr cult that doesn't worship the same God or something.

On the other hand, I was reading about an Orthodox missionary (monk, I think) in Ziare who re-baptized protestant and Catholic converts with the approval of his bishop. Does anyone know anything about that?

 

[Llauralin]

Nobody has answered my question, yet. If I were to join a church that had a different understanding of baptism, than the church in which I was baptized (a Brethren sect), would I need to be rebaptized?

As Melethel said, you would not be re-baptized, but depending on the church (Catholic and Orthodox to my knowladge), you might be chrismated (annointed with oil). Although apperently there are some churches out there, like the one Celticflower is going to that would require a re-baptism, but these seem to be quite unusual.

 

[BlackSaab52]

Black 52-Veritas.....

The 40 things we receive at Salvation.......

01. Immputed Righteousness..... Rom 4: 3-5
02. Justification.....Rom. 3: 24-30
03. Regeneration .....John 3: 1-12, Titus 3:5, Rom 8:16, 1 cor 2-14
04. Human Spirit.....Rom 8:16, 1 Cor 2:14
05. Imputed Everlasting Life.....John 5: 11-12
06. Baptism of the Holy Spirit.....Rom 8: 1-2, Rom 8: 38-39, 1 Cor 15:2, 1 Cor 12:13, John 5: 11-12
07. Propitiation.....Ex 25: 17-22, Heb 9:4, 1 John 2: 2
08. Reconcilliation.....Rom 5:10, 2 Cor 5:18-19
09. Redemtion.....1 peter 1: 18-19
10. Forgiveness.....Isaiah 43: 25, Isaiah 44:22, Eph 1: 7, Col 1: 14
11. Removal of Condemnation.....John 3:18, Rom 8: 1-3
12. Removal of Domination of the Old Sin Nature.....Rom 6:6-12
13. Removal of Satan's Power.....Col 1: 12-13, 1 John 5: 19, Eph 6:11-12, Eph 2: 1-2, Gal 1: 12-13
14. Freedom from the Penalty of the Mosaic Law.....Rom 3: 8, Rom 8:2, Gal 3: 10-13
15. Identification with Jesus Christ.....Rom 6: 3-12, Gal 2: 20,
16. Indwelling of God the Father.....John 14: 23, Eph 4:6, John 14: 23
17. Indwelling of Jesus Christ.....John 14: 20, Rom 8: 10, 2 Cor 5: 3, Col 1: 27
18. Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.....1 Cor 6: 19-20, Math 3: 11, John 14: 7, Rom 5: 5, Rom 8:9, Gal 3:2
19. Sealing of your Salvation.....Eph 4: 30, Tim 2: 19, Eph 1: 13
20. Circumcision of the Soul.....1 Cor 7: 17-24, Jer 4: 4, Rom 2: 29, Deut 10: 16-17
21. Unseen Assets.....Eph 1: 2-6
22. Judgement of Sins.....1 Pet 2: 24, Rom 4: 251 John 1: 9
23. Royal Adoption.....Rom 8: 15, Rom 8: 23
24. Eternal Relationship to God.....Eph 2: 13, James 4: 8, Heb 10: 25
25. We are on the Rock Jesus Christ.....2 Cor 1: 21; 2, Cor 3: 11, Eph 2: 26. 26. We are a Gift to Christ.....John 17: 5, John 17: 11-12, John 17: 20, John 10: 29
27. Royal Priesthood.....Peter 2: 5, Peter 2: 9, Rev 1: 6
28. We are a Chosen Generation.....1 Peter 2: 9, Titus 2: 14
29. Access to God.....Eph 2: 18, Rom 5: 2, Heb 4: 14, Heb 10: 19-20
30. We are under God's Care.....Eph 2: 4, Eph 5: 2, 31.
31. We are His Inheritance.....Eph 1: 18
32. We Inherit Christ's Eternal Future.....1 Pet 1: 14, Eph 4: 14, Col 3: 24, Heb 9: 15
33. We have a Heavenly Partnership and Association.....Col 3: 4, 1 John 5: 11-12, Eph 2:6, 1 Cor 1: 9, 1 Cor 3: 9, 2 Cor 3: 3, 2 Cor 3: 6, 2 Cor 5: 20, @ cor 6: 4
34. We Become Heavenly Citizens.....Eph 2: 19, Phill 3: 20-21
35. We Become Members of the Royal Family of God....Eph 2: 19, Eph 3: 5, Gal 6: 10
36. We are the Light in the Lord.....Eph 5: 8, Thess 5: 4
37. We are United to the Trinity.....1 Cor 12: 13, John 15: 5, Eph 2: 19, Eph 2: 22, Eph 5: 25-27, 1 Peter 2: 5-9
38. We are Glorified.....Rom 8: 30
39. We are Complete in Him.....Col 2: 10
40. We Recieve a Guardian Angel.....Heb 1: 14

No's....6, 16, 17, 18 etc.

I believe that we receive those things at salvation, too. But why does that mean that water baptism shouldn't be practiced?

 

[BlackSaab52]

If you continue to DENY the baptism of the Holy Spirit...I do not know,what you should or should not do..for I would never do it, to me it would blaspheem God the Holy Spirit.

How is practicing water baptism denying the baptism of the Holy Spirit and blaspheming Him?

 

[Llauralin]

If you continue to DENY the baptism of the Holy Spirit...I do not know,what you should or should not do..for I would never do it, to me it would blaspheem God the Holy Spirit.

What makes you think that those who practice water baptism necessarily deny the reality of the baptism of the Spirit?

 

[Melethiel]

It is possible that some people are rebaptized because the first time they were baptized they were not baptized in Jesus Name. I know that Catholics baptize in the name of the father son and holy spirit, while Pentecostals believe that you must be baptized in JESUS name per Acts 2:38.

It is not only Catholics who baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as commanded by our Lord. All orthodox Christian groups do so. In fact, not being baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity might be considered a valid reason for re-baptism.

 

[Joykins]

If you continue to DENY the baptism of the Holy Spirit...I do not know,what you should or should not do..for I would never do it, to me it would blaspheem God the Holy Spirit.

I would appreciate it if you would clarify what on EARTH you are talking about?