Why do people try to obey the law when it's not possible

[disciple1]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

[JLB777]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

Hi Disciple1,

Welcome to the Forum.

Now that the law has led us to Christ, are we now free to break the law?


JLB

 

[disciple1]

John chapter 8 verses 31,32 To the Jews who beleived him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 1 It is for freedom Christ set us free therefore stand firm and do not let you selves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
Romans chapter 10 verse 4 Christ is the end of the law.

 

[JLB777]

John chapter 8 verses 31,32 To the Jews who beleived him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 1 It is for freedom Christ set us free therefore stand firm and do not let you selves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
Romans chapter 10 verse 4 Christ is the end of the law.

Those are some great verses. Thank you for sharing them with me.

Now, could you please answer my question.


Now that the law has led us to Christ, are we now free to break the law?


JLB

 

[Obscure]

Pretty confusing, what is meant by "law" here?

 

[JLB777]

Pretty confusing, what is meant by "law" here?

OK, let's review.

First the question -

Now that the law has led us to Christ, are we now free to break the law?


I do believe the only law that is involved in this discussion would be:

The law that led us to Christ.

The law that led us to Christ is the law that is meant here.


JLB

 

[Obscure]

Which law?

 

[JLB777]

Which law?

The law that led us to Christ.

If you want more than that, ask the person who wrote it. Or read Galatians 3:23-25.

Disciple1 wrote -

So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

The law that led us to Christ.

JLB

 

[disciple1]

Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
In 1 John chapter 4 verses 8 and 16 say God is love that's how we follow him.
Jesus said there's no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends.
And as you know no one except Christ has ever obeyed the law as a human anyway.

 

[disciple1]

I think I misunderstood the question. If the sin doesn't harm anyone it's OK I believe. Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[tzadik]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith now that faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law before this faith came we were held prisoners by the law locked up until faith should be revealed.

So according to your understanding...God gave His people A Law that is impossible to keep, then punished them for not keeping it?

 

[JLB777]

I think I misunderstood the question. If the sin doesn't harm anyone it's OK I believe. Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.

I see where you quoted Galatians 5 -

It is for freedom Christ set us free...

So my question to you is:

Now that the law has led us to Christ, are we now free to break the law?

In your opinion, would that be yes or no?


JLB

 

[JLB777]

So according to your understanding...God gave His people A Law that is impossible to keep, then punished them for not keeping it?

The Lord gave the animals to make atonement for the transgression of breaking the Law. So when they did not keep the Law, the innocent animals would pay the price for there sin.

Therefore God punished the innocent animalsfor the transgression, not the people.

This would teach them, as a tutor for the purpose of leading them to Christ.

God gave them the Law to show them they needed a Savior, not to punish them.

JLB

 

[disciple1]

Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore since they did not consider it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought not to be done.
I don't know why you want to preach obedience to the law when you don't obey it anyway.
Let me ask you then why didn't Christ stone the women caught in the act of adultery.
James chapter 2 verse 13 Judgement without mercy will be shown anyone who hasn't been merciful mercy triumphs over judgement.

 

[JLB777]

Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore since they did not consider it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought not to be done.
I don't know why you want to preach obedience to the law when you don't obey it anyway.
Let me ask you then why didn't Christ stone the women caught in the act of adultery.
James chapter 2 verse 13 Judgement without mercy will be shown anyone who hasn't been merciful mercy triumphs over judgement.

Who are you talking to?

JLB

 

[disciple1]

I was talking to tzadik, but I was a little late. Sorry

 

[JLB777]

I was talking to tzadik, but I was a little late. Sorry

I am not against you, however I want to challenge you in this theme.

I know The Holy Spirit will give you wisdom through out this discussion.

Think about what I ask you.


I see where you quoted Galatians 5 -

It is for freedom Christ set us free...

So my question to you is:

Now that the law has led us to Christ, are we now free to break the law?


Thanks, JLB

 

[disciple1]

If the sin harms someone it's wrong, and were all guilty of every sin anyway.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
I know there are verses that can prove me wrong but I think I can quote just as many verses.
But we all sin, but we don't all love and that is what counts.

 

[tzadik]

I don't know why you want to preach obedience to the law when you don't obey it anyway.
Let me ask you then why didn't Christ stone the women caught in the act of adultery.

Great question.

And the man that committeth adultery with another[bless and do not curse]man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with[bless and do not curse]his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress[bless and do not curse]shall surely be put to death. (Lev 20:10)

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an[bless and do not curse]husband, then they shall both of them die, both the[bless and do not curse]man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. (Deu 22:22)

That should about do it eh? So why didn't Messiah condone the stoning?
Because the Scribes and Pharisees did not follow the due process according to the Torah relating to condemning someone to death!


At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil
away from among you. (Deu 17:6-7)

“You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. “But even if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me. “And in your Torah also, it has been written that the witness of two men is true. (Joh 8:15-17)

According to the Torah, there must be at least two witnesses who have seen with their own eyes the person(s) in the act of a sin worthy of death, and if there is not, one cannot according to the Torah, execute a death sentence.

And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. (Joh 8:1-6)

John's account of the story of the woman clearly shows the rule of righteous judgment and execution according to Torah wasn't being met. According to the Scribes' and Pharisees' account, this woman had been caught in the act, so where were the witnesses who caught her?

Their hands, not Yeshua's were supposed to throw the first stone. Oh, and that being said; Where was the man she was sinning with? Because he was supposed to be executed too!

Obviously neither the man nor the witnesses were there, and because of this, the Pharisees knew that if Yeshua had condemned her, He would have broken the very Torah that He, the Creator of Life, wrote to begin with. Knowing their twisted wicked scheming hearts, He first tried to ignore them, but they persisted in engaging Him, so His final words dissolved the whole thing.

 

[disciple1]

Everyone sins.
Galatians chapter 4 verse 21-31
Tell me you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons,one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: "be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband. Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture sat? Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
You might want to read Romans chapter 2 it talks about what your doing since we all know no one obeys the law nor can they.