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Jesus says,
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30).
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Don't misunderstand me Jason. I am not denouncing your belief or anyone else's. I am answering the OP question. People hold to their religion based on where they were born and what their parents believed for 95% of people who assert they have a religion. Hindu's Moslems and Buddhists feel just as strongly as you do....it has little to do with the book they hold in their hand though is what I am convinced of - You see, I believe if you had been born in Yemen, or Eritrea, you would be Moslem.
Jason - you are drifting away from the OP. The question was asking why people across the world don't necessarily accept Jesus was the son of God. You seem to be going off on an evangelical tangent.
Emil please remember what the OP question is - This isn't a question of 'Just how strong is your faith'. The OP is asking why it is that Jesus is not universally accepted and you don't seem to be sticking to that question but rather reasserting your own faith. YOUR faith isn't the question asked in the OPYes, literally. I have seen evidence, and a lot if it. I have seen God's power, His goodness, His love, His miracles, heard His voice, and I have had supernatural experiences that was so powerful I could barely grasp them. It's all real. Everything in the Bible is true. Heaven and Hell, The Holy Trinity, Holy Angels and also fallen angels. The Father is real, Jesus is real, the Holy Spirit is real. I can feel His holiness. I have seen Him heal physically, emotionally and spiritually. I have cast out demons in His name. I have seen Him change the weather instantly after prayer and even commanded the weather in His name. That is literal evidence. Could this all be real if Scripture wasn't true?
Of course, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's good. But if one doesn't seek God and ask Him (which is what I did) then how can you understand Him? It's like with science. If we simply guess, and our methods give us unclear results that are different every time, which proves that it is unreliable, should we not change our methods?
I too believe it's a very wise move to be cautious of the tongues of today. I believe that has ended personally and I believe it is another spirit that brings tongues today. It's mostly charismatics who experience this and who knows the source. But the tongues of Pentecost were languages the people of nations could understand. In other words real languages practiced on earth. If you listen to tongues today, to me it sends a chill up my spine yelling of the demonic realm. I have 0 interest in even going there, it would take a lot of convincing to get me to think modern day tongues are of God.Yes, I am also very careful of those who claim to speak in tongues, too. The Kundalini warning videos by Andrew Strom on YouTube was an eye opening experience for me. It's scary stuff what is happening in our world today.
That is why I would have to pray deeply and fast (even) to see if it is for our day.
Thank you Emli for your defense of God's Word today.
May God bless you greatly.
Once again - you have drifted completely away from the discussion - You need to stick to the OP. This isn't asking Christians about their own faith. Please stay on track.Jesus says,
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30).
I wrote the OP. Will you re-read it? You're missing a detail. I asked specifically why people reject Jesus after having seen that He is real in some way, after having experienced Him or seen His miracles.Emil please remember what the OP question is - This isn't a question of 'Just how strong is your faith'. The OP is asking why it is that Jesus is not universally accepted and you don't seem to be sticking to that question but rather reasserting your own faith. YOUR faith isn't the question asked in the OP
Jason I suggest you re-read the OP and respect the Original posters intent.Please watch the videos and read the tract.
Otherwise, you will not understand fully what the Bible says on this matter in regards to those who reject the faith.
Sure, you may have your understanding, but that would not be the understanding given to us by God.
So again. Please watch the videos and read the tract.
You need them because you need Jesus in your life.
exactly - I'd have thought then you'd adhere to the question at handI wrote the OP. Will you re-read it? You're missing a detail. I asked specifically why people reject Jesus after having seen that He is real in some way, after having experienced Him or seen His miracles.
Please re-read the OP. I was asking about those who call themselves Christians but are rejecting Jesus, more than about unbelievers.Once again - you have drifted completely away from the discussion - You need to stick to the OP. This isn't asking Christians about their own faith. Please stay on track.
I am. Are you? Would you quote the OP and make your point based on what it says?exactly - I'd have thought then you'd adhere to the question at hand
therefore responses should be discussing why it is Christians or non-christians believe what they believe - But even YOU - the OP - is turning it into a series of evangelical statements instead of answering your own question.Please re-read the OP. I was asking about those who call themselves Christians but are rejecting Jesus, more than about unbelievers.
Jason - you are drifting away from the OP. The question was asking why people across the world don't necessarily accept Jesus was the son of God. You seem to be going off on an evangelical tangent.
We are debating the subject. Are you offended by our witnessing about Jesus? That is a part of the OP. It's not about my faith, it is about Jesus and Him being real.therefore responses should be discussing why it is Christians or non-christians believe what they believe - But even YOU - the OP - is turning it into a series of evangelical statements instead of answering your own question.
You should be setting the example and confining discussion to the question - Or start another thread - how strong is your faith etc
Our flesh is wicked but we live above its challenges in the power of the Holy Spirit.Again: You are ignoring my questions. How do you read 1 John 1:8? Do you believe this applies to the life of the believer? Or do you think it is saying something else? Was David saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder?
Our flesh is wicked but we live above its challenges in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Did you crucify the flesh once? Or is it daily?Do you believe we can crucify the affections and lusts as Galatians 5:24 and Romans 13:14 says?
If the affections and the lusts are crucified, then how can they still be hanging around in our flesh?
Well if you are changing your mind and want this thread to be something like 'Everyone post a witnessing statement' why on earth didn't you just say it - because clearly you are not interested at all in why people do not adopt Christianity and this thread from that perspective has been a waste of timeWe are debating the subject. Are you offended by our witnessing about Jesus? That is a part of the OP. It's not about my faith, it is about Jesus and Him being real.
You didn't read the OP, did you? You just read the title?
Jason - despite @Emli changing his mind and saying this thread isn't about why people reject Jesus (weird title then), I will make my last post in this thread a question. If you had been born in Yemen - what do you imagine your religion to be. I'll leave you to ponder that. Night allZoli:
You have sinned against a Holy God. Without Jesus (God), we will all perish. Jesus died on the cross for you. Jesus died to pay the price for your sins to save you. Jesus went through great pain and suffering to die for you because Jesus loves you so very much. No other religious figure has done this for you. Only Jesus died for your sins and He is able to forgive you of your sins, if you believe right now that He is your Savior and that He died on your behalf and that He has risen from the grave 3 days later (Conquering sin and death). You can be forgiven and saved right now and know God's love, peace, and forgiveness. I invite you to pray this prayer now:
Can we not talk about those individuals in the Bible for our learning? Is not all Scripture for instruction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto every good work?
You are changing the discuss topic again. This is about discuss why people around us sin....not about the discussion of sin. Mention is made of seeing people turn away after knowing this and that. We are talking about people around us, not sin, and not people in the bible.The Bible is full of warnings not to sin. Are you saying we cannot discuss those Scripture verses?
I see no fault if you desire to be like Paul. And you are talking about going to one who is sinning and telling them of their sin. Im not questioning this, Im questioning going to your christian friends and discussing the sins of others.Paul talked against sin and so did other believers. Are you saying we cannot be like them? If so, what verse or passage says this. Granted, I am not saying we should make a habit to focus on the sins of others as a way of life. We should first judge ourselves and work at living holy and righteous before the Lord and let others know that sinning is wrong if GOD places that situation into our life for us to tell that truth.
I would tell the drunk driver not to drive home and would try to stop him......Im questionings the notion that we should, instead, go to those who dont drink, and discuss why the others are drinking and driving.For would you not tell an alcoholic not to sin by driving home drunk? Would you not warn your children of committing certain sins to protect them? Would you not correct your children if they did wrong? If a fellow believer was doing something sinful at the Bible study, would you not speak up and or not fellowship with them anymore? There has to be a point where you do not tolerate sin in others. If not, then it means we are putting our stamp of approval on their evil deeds.
No true. You did have to call unto the Lord for forgiveness to be saved. Without doing that, no salvation would have been available to you. Without that act, God could not save you. God did not force you to seek His forgiveness. He may have nudged you and opened your eyes to repent, but He did not force you to repent. If so, then why does God command all men to repent?
Jason - despite @Emli changing his mind and saying this thread isn't about why people reject Jesus (weird title then), I will make my last post in this thread a question. If you had been born in Yemen - what do you imagine your religion to be. I'll leave you to ponder that. Night all
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