Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[stuart lawrence]

The fruits of the spirit are the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
You will never have such holiness as you get from those fruits by looking to the letter that kills and is the ministry of death and condemnation

 

[stuart lawrence]

Acade

...and you really are of the opinion of yourself that the academics haven't and cannot refute such vanity?
Jealousy gets you nowhere, chum. As conspicuously is apparent.

Academics? Scholars?
Read 1cor ch1

 

[sparow]

A Seventh-day Adventist . . . who could have guessed ...

This is self incriminating, it reveals you. I am a seventh day Adventist only in the sense that I expect the immanent return of Christ and I believe nothing has changed regarding the Law. The SDA has 28 defining beliefs and I do not know what they are; about 35 years back when I had a relationship with the SDA there was 4 things an SDA must believe and I didn't believe two of the four.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have to go to bed, I can't sleep at night--before I go, one last time----

This topic ends when you show what verse states we do not have to keep any commandment, that you can be saved even if you break them and are unrepentant. Just show me where it says any unrepentant sinner gets to be with God. YOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED.
I realize that you don't understand the concept, I am sorry, I have no other way to phrase it that would explain it any better. If you can point to where Jesus says--There are now only 9 commandments, and you don't even have to keep any of them-----I will relent.
THERE IS NO SDA THAT BELIEVES IF YOU KEEP ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, YOU WILL BE SAVED. I know of none, have never met one.
YOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVEDYOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED
I could keep repeating it, but I know it will not get through. Good night.

You asked me to show you where any unrepentant sinner gets to be with God. If you want to discuss the subject I will. But firstly you would have to answer a question.

Have you from your heart surrendered your life to Christ. Is he your Lord, master and saviour. Have you turned your back on desiring a life of sin and chosen a life following after Christ?( that doesn't mean you have to be sinless BTW)
If you don't want to answer, absolutely no problem, we will just leave it at that

 

[sparow]

Interpret?? Look into. One thing about prophetic utterances, they usually can't be figured out until they have already happened. Then it's like--oh, yah, that fits everything.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
This is about one individual--one king--"He shall"--this is about one king that comes after 10 kings, different from the other 10, who subdues 3 kings-- that thinks to change times and laws. "They shall be given into his hand for a time, times and the dividing of time." What is given to him for that length of time? The laws and times he changes?? How long is time, times and the dividing of times. Seems like if this has already happened, you then should be able to figure out what fits all those things. It says the 10 kings come during the 4th kingdom of this earth. A kingdom that devours the whole earth. So what were the first 3 kingdoms? Then the 4th should be pretty easy to figure out and the first 3 are described in Daniel 2:38-45. Once the 4th kingdom is figured out, then this special king should be made clearer and so will the times and laws. But then, maybe you're not interested anyway.

The fourth kingdom was Rome and it was he kingdom Jesus was bourn into; in Revelation we have the fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth beast but when referring to all the beasts "he" is Satan; maybe you are not interested.

 

[stuart lawrence]

This is self incriminating, it reveals you. I am a seventh day Adventist only in the sense that I expect the immanent return of Christ and I believe nothing has changed regarding the Law. The SDA has 28 defining beliefs and I do not know what they are; about 35 years back when I had a relationship with the SDA there was 4 things an SDA must believe and I didn't believe two of the four.

From my experience few actually know their churches full statement of faith. Just the parts they glean from sermons( I havent been to churches where creeds are recited)

 

[sparow]

What would you call a covenant where Christ died in your place for your sins?

The name or type of the Covenant is blood covenant, which means when the covenant is broken the shedding of blood is required, normally the blood of the one who breaks the covenant is shed. Jesus is the Lamb of God since the foundation and all the lambs sacrificed were surrogates for Christ; Christ's blood extends from the foundation to the Kingdom of God. The shedding of blood is not the covenant, at least not exclusively; the covenant is that which has been broken and anyone who hasn't broken the covenant has no need of Christ's blood and one can not break the covenant unless he is signatory of the covenant. If we are having an argument it cannot go anywhere because we have no common point of reference. Covenant of grace is an oxymoron, covenant is law and grace is lawless which combine to produce lawless law.

 

[sparow]

The Laws of the priesthood in Hebrews 7 changed instantly according to Paul when Heb 8:1-5 points to Christ as our High Priest and not at all a Levite.

The Laws of the sacrifices and offerings changed instantly in Hebrews 10 at Christ's "once for all time" sacrifice replacing all others.

Meanwhile in the example above 'you quote you' as your text.

I say let the objective unbiased reader choose. It is left as an exercise for the reader.

You seem to be suggesting that I see myself as an authority but I am just having a conversation.

I do not follow Paul, I follow the true Sheppard. I don't know that Paul wrote Hebrews. Hebrews is not a universal document it is a private communication which leaves us to imagine the context. To Jews the writer of Hebrews says, "it wasn't your fault, the Law failed."

Jesus made it very clear that the Jews failed, not necessarily all of them.

Matthew 23:37-38 (NKJV)
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;

What you and maybe Paul are calling changes to the Law are difference in administration and application; remembering SDA teaching the sanctuary service is a copy of that in heaven; changing the Law would make Christ's Priesthood illegitimate as well as the rest of His priesthood (us) illegitimate.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Actually the NIV does capitalise it.
I read the NIV

No one can hate SDA like I hate the NIV.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No one can hate SDA like I hate the NIV.

But scholars did the translation!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You seem to be suggesting that I see myself as an authority but I am just having a conversation.

I do not follow Paul, I follow the true Sheppard. I don't know that Paul wrote Hebrews. Hebrews is not a universal document it is a private communication which leaves us to imagine the context. To Jews the writer of Hebrews says, "it wasn't your fault, the Law failed."

Jesus made it very clear that the Jews failed, not necessarily all of them.

Matthew 23:37-38 (NKJV)
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;

What you and maybe Paul are calling changes to the Law are difference in administration and application; remembering SDA teaching the sanctuary service is a copy of that in heaven; changing the Law would make Christ's Priesthood illegitimate as well as the rest of His priesthood (us) illegitimate.

You say you're no academic / scholar!? Well if difficulty in understanding him is the litmus test for an academic / scholar, you must be one!

 

[sparow]

Changing the Sabbath to Sunday would be a bad thing.
The NT never says anything about circumcision being changed - there was never a time when gentiles were required to be circumcised - OT or NT.

Again you are following the wrong Shepard.

Genesis 17:13 (NKJV)
13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Genesis 17:23 (NKJV)
23 So Abraham took Ishmael his son, all who were born in his house and all who were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house, and circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very same day, as God had said to him.

Genesis 17:27 (NKJV)
27 and all the men of his house, born in the house or bought with money from a foreigner, were circumcised with him.

Christ's new covenant is made with the lost sheep of Israel and extended to Gentiles; gentiles who enter into the covenant are not different than Israel and are Israel, purchased from foreigners with Christ's blood which is better than money. Besides gentiles are mostly descendent of Ishmael who was included in the covenant of circumcision.

If any of God's laws could be changed God would loose His credibility; there would be no end to change.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

But scholars did the translation!

You can be sure about that! THE best of the best and shrewdest of -- Christian -- scholars! The biggest complot of Bible scholars and the longest and most intense of review committees etcetera for any Bible translation ever. You can be sure they made very sure of every word and phrase and sentence! Most certain where Jesus' Last Passover of Yahweh Suffering is concerned! Sure that you read the GIANTS in the earth's last days' version, and that the humanistic churches were taken for spouses!

 

[stuart lawrence]

At that time, Jesus full of joy through the Holy Spirit said.
I praise you Father, Lord of Heaven and earth for you have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children. Yes Father, for this was your good pleasure
Luke10:21

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

BobRyan and SDA, HERE's why I personally, hate you, the SDA. Because you, are the Christian denomination that hammers on Daniel 7:25 but stop your ears from hearing about dozens of instances of the same CRIME against God's Word in specific Scriptures which I have been pointing out to the world including the SDA church for years.
But both the SDA and the whole of the rest of the churches have in their arsenal and have harnessed the invincible weapon and counter strategy to squash this miserable mosquito with, Flat ignore him dead!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

This is self incriminating, it reveals you. I am a seventh day Adventist only in the sense that I expect the immanent return of Christ and I believe nothing has changed regarding the Law. The SDA has 28 defining beliefs and I do not know what they are; about 35 years back when I had a relationship with the SDA there was 4 things an SDA must believe and I didn't believe two of the four.

Well, I was born and brought up and baptised a SDA. Today I believe everything regarding the Law changed in Jesus Christ through his Resurrection from the dead on the Sabbath Day. Today the SDA have how many 'fundamental beliefs' plus every conceivable and inconceivable new stuff I'm not familiar with even in the least. All that I today know about the SDA church is that they are JUST ANOTHER Christian denomination, and that they are the head-strongest of them all when it comes to CHANGE in 'fundamentals' and or anything else.
No friend, I am a Calvinist Reformed Protestant believer, no SDA, and I dare these Christians that I am a Dopper without permission whether they like it or not. My allegiance is with them against all odds and protestations. They will have to sit up with me and what I have written over many years until Jesus returns.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

At that time, Jesus full of joy through the Holy Spirit said.
I praise you Father, Lord of Heaven and earth for you have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children. Yes Father, for this was your good pleasure Luke10:21

...<<this>>, _your_ version of the <spirit>. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Again you are following the wrong Shepard.

Judge, you're fired!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

If any of God's laws could be changed God would loose His credibility; there would be no end to change.

Not if "Christ is the end of the Law". In Christ the End of the Law, God achieved all credibility. That's the facts.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The name or type of the Covenant is blood covenant, which means when the covenant is broken the shedding of blood is required, normally the blood of the one who breaks the covenant is shed. Jesus is the Lamb of God since the foundation and all the lambs sacrificed were surrogates for Christ; Christ's blood extends from the foundation to the Kingdom of God. The shedding of blood is not the covenant, at least not exclusively; the covenant is that which has been broken and anyone who hasn't broken the covenant has no need of Christ's blood and one can not break the covenant unless he is signatory of the covenant. If we are having an argument it cannot go anywhere because we have no common point of reference. Covenant of grace is an oxymoron, covenant is law and grace is lawless which combine to produce lawless law.

Unanswerable