Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[mmksparbud]

Of course you have to say that and try and change what is written. If you accepted what is written your denomination ceases to exist.
An ex sda man went over ancient manuscripts concerning the verse. It means what it states, though you will steadfastly refuse to accept it.
But as sda accept people as christians who have no heartfelt conviction they sin by failing to observe a specific saturday Sabbath that in itself shows sda theology/ doctrine fails the test of understanding the new covenant

I have to say that??--It was you that capitalized sabbaths--that is not the way the bible reads, why67 did you change it?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have to say that??--It was you that capitalized sabbaths--that is not the way the bible reads, why67 did you change it?

I didn't change I deliberately, just normally stick the capital in for days

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have to say that??--It was you that capitalized sabbaths--that is not the way the bible reads, why67 did you change it?

Actually the NIV does capitalise it.
I read the NIV

 

[mmksparbud]

It makes a difference.

 

[mmksparbud]

Actually the NIV does capitalise it.
I read the NIV

That is wrong.

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is wrong.

Of course you have to say that don't you.
But Paul is simply confirming what he stated in rom14:5

Anyway this is not fruitful. No point in continuing it is there

 

[mmksparbud]

Of course you have to say that don't you.
But Paul is simply confirming what he stated in rom14:5

Anyway this is not fruitful. No point in continuing it is there

No point. The truth is that there were many Jewish feast days called sabbsths and Christians were not to let the Jews or other Christians tell them they still had to keep those Levitical ordinances. But I realize you wish to put your own spin on this.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No point. The truth is that there were many Jewish feast days called sabbsths and Christians were not to let the Jews or other Christians tell them they still had to keep those Levitical ordinances. But I realize you wish to put your own spin on this.

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another , another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

The idea Paul would mislead people by the above and not mean what he plainly states is inconceivable.
However over to you to put your spin on it

 

[mmksparbud]

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another , another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

The idea Paul would mislead people by the above and not mean what he plainly states is inconceivable.
However over to you to put your spin on it

He wasn't misleading anyone--you are. Good--bye.

 

[stuart lawrence]

He wasn't misleading anyone--you are. Good--bye.

you cannot transgress the law within you without being conscious you sin by doing so. Therefore according to sda belief they dont understand/ are mislead concerning the NC by accepting people as christians who have no conscience at failing to observe a set saturday Sabbath
I have also shown, from scripture on a recent post, only a mislead denomination would relentlessly state:
You must obey the TC

As sda are mislead over two such fundamental issues its natural they are over many others also

 

[stuart lawrence]

The Holy Spirit leads the believer into truth, not the academic mind.
Paul states you must follow after the holy spirit NOT the written code. To Paul they were completely different paths.
So if you follow after the written code you have parted ways from being led of the spirit. All that leaves you with is the mind of man.
You cannot possibly understand the truth of the spiritual message through the natural mind of man.
The more you follow the written code, the further away from the true message you become. It doesn't matter how much scripture you then quote. The devil can quote scripture( not saying sda are the devil, just making the point)

 

[mmksparbud]

It is very plain according to the terms of the NC you cannot transgress the law within you without being conscious you sin by doing so. Therefore according to sda belief they dont understand/ are mislead concerning the NC by accepting people as christians who have no conscience at failing to observe a set saturday Sabbath
I have also shown, from scripture on a recent post, only a mislead denomination would relentlessly state:
You must obey the TC

As sda are mislead over two such fundamental issues its natural they are over many others also

I have to go to bed, I can't sleep at night--before I go, one last time----

This topic ends when you show what verse states we do not have to keep any commandment, that you can be saved even if you break them and are unrepentant. Just show me where it says any unrepentant sinner gets to be with God. YOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED.
I realize that you don't understand the concept, I am sorry, I have no other way to phrase it that would explain it any better. If you can point to where Jesus says--There are now only 9 commandments, and you don't even have to keep any of them-----I will relent.
THERE IS NO SDA THAT BELIEVES IF YOU KEEP ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, YOU WILL BE SAVED. I know of none, have never met one.
YOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVEDYOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED
I could keep repeating it, but I know it will not get through. Good night.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Of course you have to refuse to accept what is plainly written. It is clear what Paul is stating in rom 14:5&14&20


You only seem to reference verses in the NT that have the word commandments in them!


Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a new moon celebration orva Sabbath day. These were a shadow of the things to come, the realities are found in Christ

Col2:16&17


You don't know the realities found in Christ, you prefer the old covenant at heart:


Many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say. The old is better

Luke5:39

Our great judge at work again…


<<Of course you have to refuse to accept what is plainly written. It is clear what Paul is stating in rom 14:5&14&20>>


Paul plainly did not write or state in Romans 14:5&14&20 the word “alike” which BobRyan pointed out is inserted interpolation.


It is you, honourable judge, who of course have to refuse to accept what is plainly written when it is clear what Paul does not state in Romans. You’re the judge. What’s truth anyway! You only seem to reference verses in the NT that have no word about commandments in them that you don’t like, but are filled with made-up words and concepts that would force it to appear about such commandments. Like your preferred corruption of Colossians 2, <<Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a new moon celebration orva Sabbath day. These were a shadow of the things to come, the realities are found in Christ>>, in which I count a dozen false, made up words— besides innumerable false ideas. Nevertheless you reckon yourself judge of another: <<You don't know the realities found in Christ, (but) prefer the old covenant at heart>>. Thus you judge and condemn him. In actually doing which, you, your honour, judge supreme, violate the very principle of freedom found in “Sabbaths’ Feast of Christ the Substance…” referred to by Paul, namely, that “NO ONE must judge you … Body of Christ’s Own … in eating and drinking of CHRIST the Substance … and Nourishment ministered!”

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have to go to bed, I can't sleep at night--before I go, one last time----

This topic ends when you show what verse states we do not have to keep any commandment, that you can be saved even if you break them and are unrepentant. Just show me where it says any unrepentant sinner gets to be with God. YOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED.
I realize that you don't understand the concept, I am sorry, I have no other way to phrase it that would explain it any better. If you can point to where Jesus says--There are now only 9 commandments, and you don't even have to keep any of them-----I will relent.
THERE IS NO SDA THAT BELIEVES IF YOU KEEP ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, YOU WILL BE SAVED. I know of none, have never met one.
YOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVEDYOU DO NOT KEEP THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED, YOU KEEP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED
I could keep repeating it, but I know it will not get through. Good night.

As I showed in my previous post Paul and john showed us the commands we are to follow
Believe on the name of the son of God and love one another. Love fulfills the law/ the law of Christ
They never relentlessly stated:
Obey the ten commandments
Why not?
Because that was the OC and the bible terms those laws the letter that kills and the ministration of death and condemnation.
Any denomination Tha relentlessly states:
You must obey the TC are NOT following or understanding the message preached by Paul and john or the other writers of the epistles
The are following the written code. Scripture states the christian is released from the written code

 

[stuart lawrence]

How does a christian fulfill christs law?
By looking to the written code/ literal letter of those commands?
Carry each others burdens and so FULFILL the law of Christ gal 6:2

John says we can ask God for anything because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. Which commands?

Believe on the name of his son Jesus Christ and love one another 1 john 3:23

Paul:

The commandments. Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not covet, and whatever other commandments there might be are summed up in this one rule:
Love your neighbour as yourself. Love does no harm to its neighbour, therefore love fulfills the law
Rom13:9&10

Why aren't John and Paul relentlessly stating:
Obey the TC"

Because that was the Old covenant, and because those laws scripture says are the letter that kills and the ministry of death and condemnation
How do you love as God wants you to?
Love is a fruit of the holy spirit.
As Paul says the christian follows after the holy spirit, not the written code.
So people who relentlessly state:
You must obey the TC don't get it

Here is the post

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Paul states you must follow after the holy spirit NOT the written code. To Paul they were completely different paths.

Paul (maybe) states you must follow after the Holy Spirit NOT the written code. To Paul the Holy Spirit and the <<written code>> were completely different things, leading to the same Path, Christ I-AM The Way.

But Paul never would state, one must follow after his own <<holy spirit>>, not the written Law of Commandments of God. To Paul they were completely different paths, one's own <<holy spirit>>, leading to disobedience to the Law of God, and hell; the other, the written code of Law in Commandments of God, leading to Christ, the "I-AM The Way" to eternal Life.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul (maybe) states you must follow after the Holy Spirit NOT the written code. To Paul the Holy Spirit and the <<written code>> were completely different things, leading to the same Path, Christ I-AM The Way.

But Paul never would state, one must follow after his own <<holy spirit>>, not the written Law of Commandments of God. To Paul they were completely different paths, one's own <<holy spirit>>, leading to disobedience to the Law of God, and hell; the other, the written code of Law in Commandments of God, leading to Christ, the "I-AM The Way" to eternal Life.

But the fruits of the Spirit are, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self- control. AGAINST SUCH THINGS THERE IS NO LAW
Gal5:22&23

Why oh why do you people not understand

 

[stuart lawrence]

Because:

Many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say. The old is better

Luke5:39

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Bible details matter - and that included context instead of pretext.

Brilliant!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Holy Spirit leads the believer into truth, not the academic mind.
Paul states you must follow after the holy spirit NOT the written code. To Paul they were completely different paths.
So if you follow after the written code you have parted ways from being led of the spirit. All that leaves you with is the mind of man.
You cannot possibly understand the truth of the spiritual message through the natural mind of man.
The more you follow the written code, the further away from the true message you become. It doesn't matter how much scripture you then quote. The devil can quote scripture( not saying sda are the devil, just making the point)

...and you really are of the opinion of yourself that the academics haven't and cannot refute such vanity?
Jealousy gets you nowhere, chum. As conspicuously is apparent.