Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

BobRyan said:

And Paul demands that we admit that the TEN commandments are included in the LAW of God in Eph 6:2 in Romans 13, in Romans 7 as does James demand it in James 2, as does Christ demand it in Matthew 19 -- as we have show a few zillion times on this thread.

Please give us "The Bible" instead, if you looking to present a compelling POV.




As we saw in Mark 7:6-13

How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


These are the basics,

Matthew 22:37
Jesus declared, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

Mark 12:30
and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

Mark 12:33
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Luke 10:27
He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Deuteronomy 4:29
"But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12
"Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul

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all of those scriptures stated - before the cross. And none of them deleting the TEN commandments

Even your own Pope John Paul II admits that the TEN Commandments are for all mankind - the moral law of God.

so also does your own CCC. This is not the part where you are supposed to differ. (Though we do have many differences with the RCC - the Bible TEN commandments as the moral law of God for all mankind -- is not one of them)... Hence my signature line.






Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

And in His frequently upholding of Lev 19:18 "Love our neighbor as yourself"
And to "Love God with all your heart " Deut 6:5


hint: Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 did not "delete Exodus 20" when they were given in the OT nor when they are quoted in the NT. I think we all can see that.

And even your own Pope John Paul II, and your own CCC admit the TEN Commandments (all ten) remain included in the moral law of God binding on all mankind. I think we both know that.

your denomination and mine - have some points of difference. But this Bible detail that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are still included in the moral law of God and are still binding on all mankind - even binding on the people of God, is not one of those differences.



Answer: Lev 19:18 is one of the 613 in the OT and it is one of the 1050 in the NT as we see in Matt 22.

What is your point?

Here is another one --

"Do not take God's name in vain" is one of the 613 in the OT but not one of the 1050 in the NT.



I think we would agree that "Saved by grace through faith" is how we are saved.

Nevertheless - it is still a sin to "take God's name in vain" -- just as God's Commandments state.

For even in the NT - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" and the saints walk the path of obedience rather than open rebellion.

Thus Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus"
"These things I write to you that you sin NOT - and if anyone does sin - we have an Advocate with the Father" 1 John 2:1.

So then we are daily "choosing" to not take God's name in vain.



True. Saved by grace through faith - Ephesians 2:8 and also 2:9 and also 2:10

This Grace is what actually allows us or give us the ability to follow the 10 commandments

The whole package.



Also true. Saved by grace through faith and justified by faith apart from the works of the Law. The lost sinner does not come to Christ saying "Hey I have some really great works of obedience so now save me and cause me to be born-again".

That much both sides do agree with.

Even the pro-sunday scholars in my signature line will agree with this Bible detail.

The New Covenant causes the LAW of God to be "written on mind and heart" such that God's Commandments (for example "do not take God's name in vain") written on the heart motivating the saints towards obedience instead of rebellion against the Word of God.

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BobRyan said:

This is your way of condemning all Catholics who uses images in worship, praying to the dead etc? Your argument is that failing to join you in doing such a thing - is a "problem for SDAs"?? Seriously?
What about baptism of infants - do you also reject all of those denominations for not being baptized as believers full water immersion as Christ commanded? How small is your 'Christian' group?

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BobRyan said:

They do in their published statement of belief - re-affirmed every 5 years by the entire world church of SDAs.

So then... 'details in real life' -- do matter.

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