stuart lawrence
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Read matt ch23
Jesus stated the Pharisees did not practice what they preached. They did practice the man made laws.
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Read matt ch23They are the same, equal. It is our understanding that is incorrect.
The bible is in harmony through out. It is our understanding that is the problem as we try to twist it to fit mans interpenetration of it.
Jesus was talking about the man made laws piled on top of the Royal Law.
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
They may be ever seeing but never perceiving
And ever hearing but never understanding
Mark4:12
Quote something I have written where I state the law is void.Romans 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
Your posts indicate that you believe that the law is void. If so how can there be sin based on the above verses?
Remove the law
No sin
No sin no need for grace
No grace no need for a savior
No need for a savior why did Jesus die?
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Do you love Jesus based on John 14:15?
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
According to the person who wrote half the books of the NT, following the written code is following the old covenant, not the new one
God does not mind if you consider one day more holy/ sacred than another or whether you consider every day alike
One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mindYou list nine out of ten of the commandments in the Old Covenant as being valid But the 4th of the ten you disregard as being invalid. You appear to be saying that Paul in his writings is at odds with Jesus Christ's teaching. The 4th says Remember THE SABBATH day of creation not any old day.
So based on your take of Paul's writings the following scripture would apply to Paul as he contradicts the teaching of Jesus throughout scripture on The Sabbath. Example Jesus said pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath day. This was said about a future event.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truthin him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus never said if you love me keep nine of my ten commandments. He said If you love me keep my commandments.
When I became a christian I became conscious of sin, for the law God requires us to keep is written on our minds and placed on our hearts by the Holy Spirit, and through the law we become conscious of sin.You list nine out of ten of the commandments in the Old Covenant as being valid But the 4th of the ten you disregard as being invalid. You appear to be saying that Paul in his writings is at odds with Jesus Christ's teaching. The 4th says Remember THE SABBATH day of creation not any old day.
So based on your take of Paul's writings the following scripture would apply to Paul as he contradicts the teaching of Jesus throughout scripture on The Sabbath. Example Jesus said pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath day. This was said about a future event.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truthin him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus never said if you love me keep nine of my ten commandments. He said If you love me keep my commandments.
Quote something I have written where I state the law is void.
Do you obey each and every literal command of Christ?
Do you even try to?
If you don't, does this mean you don't love Jesus?
One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5
I did read it with proper understanding, you do notPaul was dealing with the issues of the feast days and blood sacrifices, ceremonial laws, not the Sabbath of the Creation between the Gentiles and Judaizers. If you read that passage with the proper understanding then Paul's teaching is in line with that of Jesus Christ as then would be your understanding also.
When I became a christian I became conscious of sin, for the law God requires us to keep is written on our minds and placed on our hearts by the Holy Spirit, and through the law we become conscious of sin.
It would take too long.What law was written on your mind? Would you please define them from scripture.
I did read it with proper understanding, you do not
So based on your take of Paul's writings the following scripture would apply to Paul as he contradicts the teaching of Jesus throughout scripture on The Sabbath. Example Jesus said pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath day. This was said about a future event.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truthin him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The fact is you follow the written code, the believer is told not to do thatThen this is a fact according to you.
It would take too long.
Simple answer is.
You know which law is placed within you, for you have heartfelt conviction you din if you wilfully transgress it
You must be conscious you sin if you fail to keep the law placed within you. On this point bob Ryan and i agree. He and you believe the fourth commandment as written is written on your mind and placed on your heart. Therefore you must believe every christian is conscious they sin if they fail to observe a specific seventh day Sabbath.
Yet at the same time as you hold That belief, you both, as well as the sda church accept people as christians who have no consciousness they sin by failing to observe a specific seventh day Sabbath
I have to say, yours and his failure to acknowledge the ridiculous position you find yourselves in, the contradiction of That position is to me, mind boggling.
You are not interested in accepting the truth here are you, just fanatically claiming your churches position is correct when it Is impossible for That to be true
The holy Spirit places the law within you.So you determine what the law is that has been placed in your mind, sounds like justification for sin to me. You never even mentioned the Holy Spirit doing the placement. Therefore they could be different laws for everybody. Great Theology.
Second lie told to Eve. You will become like GOD.
It is by beholding Jesus we become changed and through him we can keep his commandments as he said to love me is to keep my commandments.
This is the covenant I will make with them after that Time says the LordAnd I thought you were only going to write this once.
The ridiculous position is that God gives conviction about everything all at once. Instead of as they mature in Christ.
The ridiculous position is that we can not ignore conviction under the guise of "I know better than that."
Act_9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
People can be "pricked" for a long time before they either ignore completely or give in.
I do wonder why people keep stressing:
You must obey the TC
Is the finger of God more weightier than the word of God?
Why don't these people stress:
You must obey the commands in the beatitudes( matt chs5-7)
I can only imagine it I because they somehow convince themselves they obey the letter That kills. Obviously they don't understand what obedience to that law entails, or they shut their eyes to it!
But to obey the beatitudes, well that's another matter entirely. To obey that law requires a whole lot of love for others.
Something I have always found missing in those who relentlessly stress:
You must obey the TC
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