Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[bbbbbbb]

You may not know what hatred is; read #695

Actually I did read it and decided that the poster was either being exceedingly sarcastic or was just a typical nut case. Nut cases (and I known more than enough in my time) do exhibit extreme hatred, but to say, as the OP stated, that everyone hates the SDA is either hyperbolic or terrifically myopic.

 

[sparow]

Actually I did read it and decided that the poster was either being exceedingly sarcastic or was just a typical nut case. Nut cases (and I known more than enough in my time) do exhibit extreme hatred, but to say, as the OP stated, that everyone hates the SDA is either hyperbolic or terrifically myopic.

I wrote the op and I didn't mean everyone.

 

[Noxot]

My beef with the SDA is that they say one day off, six days of work and I want six days off and one day of work.

 

[ForHimbyHim]

I personally grew up in the SDA church and a big number of people in my family are part of it. To say I hate the SDA church is wrong, church is the people. I don't hate people, but I do dislike the institute and what it stands for. Some examples:
1. An observance of the law to the point that people feel they are in right standing with God because of it. No grace of God, Jesus resurrection is an awkward place, to the point that they are not able to explain why Jesus needed to die and rise again.
2. Pride, pride, pride is all I get from people who are doing well in the institution, but condemnation, condemnation, condemnation for those who seem to not be.
3. Because of 2, there is loads of fake people, great at church, eg my family have elders, but their own personal live Monday to Friday different people. Girl has a long dress at the Saturday meeting, but hot pants the rest of the week.
4. They conveniently pick and choose which part of the law to follow.
5. My aunt, my dad's sister refused to come to my wedding because it was on a Saturday.

 

[Andrewn]

5. My aunt, my dad's sister refused to come to my wedding because it was on a Saturday.

This is cultic mentality.

 

[Saint Steven]

I personally believe every thing went as God intended...

I agree. My only surprise was that it needed to be helped along by the serpent. But I suppose that was according to plan as well.

Saint Steven said: ↑
The tree was placed in the center of the garden. God obviously didn't do that as a preventative measure.

 

[ForHimbyHim]

This is cultic mentality.

You're so right, it really messes with your head.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I wrote the op and I didn't mean everyone.

My mistake. When I read "people" I jumped to the conclusion that it meant everyone. Obviously, most people don't have any opinion at all about the SDA. The few that do hate it, as ForHimbyHim are, don't necessarily hate its members, but the religion created by it which has adverse and cultic results in the members' lives.

 

[Malihah]

I have not heard this before, so I googled it and examined the arguments for Judaism being the religion of the beast; I also found arguments for why Catholicism was the religion of the beast. The evidence in both cases was circumstantial; and it seemed to me one was the image of the other, that they were of the same type; the Catholic Church has always been anti-Semitic and presumably her daughter Churches, until Hitler made antisemitism unpopular.

I view Judaism/Pharisism and Catholicism at opposite ends of he same continuum equidistant from God in the middle. The Catholics think the are judged by a different law.

I know nothing of Judaism to day and my opinions are based on the Bible: the reasons why I do not believe Judaism is the Church on the back of the beast (Rome of old) is Judaism has never had a prostitutary relationship with Rome; these have always hated each other; Rome with or without the Papacy has persecuted the Jews relentlessly.

Revelation speaks of a good church and a bad church and a bad Church; the good church is from Israel (not Pharisism) indicated from the twelve stars and is what Jesus called his mother; the bad Church is identified by it's relationship with the beast.

The two symbolic women in Revelation or great cities mirror Sarah and Hagar from Galatians with Sarah as the new covenant or New Jerusalem and Hagar as the old covenant or earthly Jerusalem. These great cities are actually identified as such in Revelation itself: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Re 11:8) Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, (Re 21:9,10). Catholicism in their great zeal to portray Mary as the holy woman are incorrect and the holy woman or bride of Christ is the new covenant and the Church and all those who belong to it. Now, Mary certainly is a 'type' of the new covenant woman like Sarah but once again the woman of Revealtion 12 is the bride of Christ or New covenant or the great city - New Jerusalem.

 

[Noxot]

The two symbolic women in Revelation or great cities mirror Sarah and Hagar from Galatians with Sarah as the new covenant or New Jerusalem and Hagar as the old covenant or earthly Jerusalem. These great cities are actually identified as such in Revelation itself: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Re 11:8) Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, (Re 21:9,10). Catholicism in their great zeal to portray Mary as the holy woman are incorrect and the holy woman or bride of Christ is the new covenant and the Church and all those who belong to it. Now, Mary certainly is a 'type' of the new covenant woman like Sarah but once again the woman of Revealtion 12 is the bride of Christ or New covenant or the great city - New Jerusalem.

The name Mary means Rebellion or bitterness. just by the name you can see the transformation of a harlot into a virgin. even one of the Mary's in the New Testament was a harlot but then she encountered Jesus.

 

[Malihah]

The name Mary means Rebellion or bitterness. just by the name you can see the transformation of a harlot into a virgin. even one of the Mary's in the New Testament was a harlot but then she encountered Jesus.

You mean Miriam the sister of Moses: [Miryam /meer·yawm/] n pr f. From 4805; GK 5319; 15 occurrences; AV translates as “Miriam” 15 times. 1 elder sister of Moses and Aaron. 2 a woman of Judah. Additional Information: Miriam = “rebellion”. A harlot or harlot in the biblical sense is a married woman who commits adultery with another man. Those who start out under the new covenant and then abandon it for the laws and sabbaths and bondage of the old covenant are the spiritual 'harlots' and 'harlots' aka Gospel rejectors.

 

[Noxot]

You mean Miriam the sister of Moses: [Miryam /meer·yawm/] n pr f. From 4805; GK 5319; 15 occurrences; AV translates as “Miriam” 15 times. 1 elder sister of Moses and Aaron. 2 a woman of Judah. Additional Information: Miriam = “rebellion”. A harlot or harlot in the biblical sense is a married woman who commits adultery with another man. Those who start out under the new covenant and then abandon it for the laws and sabbaths and bondage of the old covenant are the spiritual 'harlots' and 'harlots' aka Gospel rejectors.

well then I guess I should have said that the Mary in the New Testament was a prostitute not necessarily A literal harlot. yeah it's the old now that you have started in the spirit do we now turn back to the things of the Flesh and the letter of the law.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Interestingly, Mohammed conflated Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, with Miriam, the sister of Moses, in the Q'ran. To this day, Muslims believe that Moses' sister was the mother of Jesus Christ.

 

[Malihah]

well then I guess I should have said that the Mary in the New Testament was a prostitute not necessarily A literal harlot. yeah it's the old now that you have started in the spirit do we now turn back to the things of the Flesh and the letter of the law.

That is all the imagery in Revelation is trying to convey. Jerusalem was the historical home of the old covenant so she is unfortunately the great harlot not Rome. The beast power that she rides is another story. I think the best way of seeing the beast power is in an end-time context with the heads representing religious powers and the horns representing secular powers. At the end Jerusalem will become the capital city of seven world religions and ten secular powers so this is what the image of the woman riding the beast is trying to convey.

 

[bbbbbbb]

That is all the imagery in Revelation is trying to convey. Jerusalem was the historical home of the old covenant so she is unfortunately the great harlot not Rome. The beast power that she rides is another story. I think the best way of seeing the beast power is in an end-time context with the heads representing religious powers and the horns representing secular powers. At the end Jerusalem will become the capital city of seven world religions and ten secular powers so this is what the image of the woman riding the beast is trying to convey.

It is somewhat problematic to fit Jerusalem into the imagery of Babylon, the city set on seven hills (Jerusalem only has one hill).

 

[Malihah]

It is somewhat problematic to fit Jerusalem into the imagery of Babylon, the city set on seven hills (Jerusalem only has one hill).

If you have zero knowledge of the symbols of Revelation you could do it. Mountains or high places in the bible were religious in nature so it's not a symbolic woman on literal mountains!

 

[bbbbbbb]

If you have zero knowledge of the symbols of Revelation you could do it. Mountains or high places in the bible were religious in nature so it's not a symbolic woman on literal mountains!

All manner of theologians, some with zero knowledge and many with some or even much knowledge have had a field day with Revelation and its imagery.

 

[Malihah]

All manner of theologians, some with zero knowledge and many with some or even much knowledge have had a field day with Revelation and its imagery.

The seven mountains are later said to be seven kings on which the woman sits, five are fallen, one is and the other is not yet come (Rev. 17:10). How could that possibly be literal mountains? This is the problem with prophecy in that so many fill the world with Rome sits on seven hills or Jerusalem sits on seven hills and it has nothing at all to do with that. They are not literal mountains, they never have been and they never will be.

 

[ForHimbyHim]

Here is one definition of sin.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

The text quoted does not say that sin is breaking the ten commandments. Your misunderstanding is what you keep repeating over and over again.

My personal opinion is that everyone sins, there is never a perfect repentance practiced by anyone. The ten commandments are part of the law, but so too are the prophets.Sin is breaking any of the law and that is what the scripture tells us.

You seem to think that one sin is different to another sin?

In my book all disobedience is sin and no matter how small, you may imagine your sin is.Read it again.

But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.

The sin is regarding some people higher than others.Paul says that commandment (covet) is in the law. Your saying that the whole law does not apply and it's only about the ten commandments. The coveting example does do mean that Paul is only talking about the ten commandments.By obedience to the law no flesh will be justified. See I told you it says, THE LAW, and not the ten commandments.
Well it's obvious to everyone that your confusing, THE LAW, and the ten commandments.

The ten commandments are in the law. And transgressing any law is sin.I read it and it says we are under grace and not under the law.Exactly, "AND NOT IN THE OLDNESS OF THE LETTER". We no longer serve the ten commandments, the written law, we serve in newness of the Spirit.Yes and that was your error. The text says the law.
Sin is sin and you cannot stop sinning. Sorcery is sin, kidnapping is sin, drunkenness is sin. Worldliness is sin, loving money is sin.Your interpretation is incorrect and you cannot see that 'the law' does not just mean the ten commandments.

The issue I have with all you have said, is that you are cherry picking verses in the bible, that have no context. That makes for difficult interpretation.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The issue I have with all you have said, is that you are cherry picking verses in the bible, that have no context. That makes for difficult interpretation.

I would probably describe it as "creative" interpretation.