Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

mark wright · Dec 7, 2016

My sheep know my voice, I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No-one can snatch them out of my hand
John 10:27&28

Of course many go to church and do not know Christs voice. They don't know the truth of the message. Yet they still call Jesus Lord
In over fifty years of going to various churches I have met no one who has walked away from the christian faith who truly understood the message, for they know Christs voice. But many do who do not understand the message

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

Imagican said:
Anyone that is curious about the SDA just needs to go and research their history to clearly see that they are 'not' of the true Churches of Christ. They have simply done what most have done and that is 'use the name of Christ' in their 'religion'.

A 'woman', delirious from fever supposedly had visions which led to the formation of this 'religion'.

All of that post is factually and historically untrue - but I guess you are free to make stuff up if that is your preferred form of posting.

Maybe that is the purpose of this kind of thread - draw a line between pure fiction and historic fact.

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

mark wright said:
My sheep know my voice, I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No-one can snatch them out of my hand
John 10:27&28

John 10 does not say "and they will always persevere -- they can never change their mind"

OSAS is doctrine "by inference" in fact "extreme inference"

mark wright · Dec 7, 2016

BobRyan said:
John 10 does not say "and they will always persevere -- they can never change their mind"

OSAS is doctrine "by inference" in fact "extreme inference"

As I said, in over fifty years I have known no one who truly understood the message who walked away from the faith. It is too wonderful a message. But I have seen others fall away

LoveofTruth · Dec 7, 2016

EastCoastRemnant said:
You also don't believe that the 7th day Sabbath is still the day of rest for God's people, even though there is zero evidence supporting the change.

Do you really believe that Michael is Jesus and God?

and 2 Corinthians 3 shows that the law written on tables of stone is abolished and done away a ministration of death and condemnation. This is clear in scripture, whatsoever things the law saith ( that means whatsoever) it saith to them that are under the law...

the law is not of faith Paul said

and Paul said that though the law he is dead to the law

LoveofTruth · Dec 7, 2016

EastCoastRemnant said:
Zechariah 3:2
And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Also, did Jesus not have a humble Spirit?

God can speak through angels and prophets in the first person even. this does not make them God. Unto which of the angels said he at any time thou art my Son?

none

LoveofTruth · Dec 7, 2016

CodyFaith said:
I don't hate them.

Adventists believe Jesus is the archangel Michael. Which is not scriptural. Whether they are a cult or not I don't know.

that is amazing, all these years and i didn't know they believed that. That is another Jesus. It would be a subtle denial of the deity of Jesus Christ. Similar to the Onness griots that deny the eternal Son

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

mark wright said:
As I said, in over fifty years I have known no one who truly understood the message who walked away from the faith. It is too wonderful a message. But I have seen others fall away

It is hard to believe that Lucifer, Adam, Eve did not know that they were sinless and in perfect harmony with God - and so then for that reason - walked away.

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
God can speak through angels and prophets in the first person even. this does not make them God. Unto which of the angels said he at any time thou art my Son?

none

True - the 1 Cor 12 gift of prophecy did not turn prophets into God.

Since this is not really a "who do I hate" or "why I hate so-and-so" post I am posting it on the "Why do some people like..." thread.

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
Do you really believe that Michael is Jesus and God?

and 2 Corinthians 3 shows that the law written on tables of stone is abolished and done away a ministration of death and condemnation. This is clear in scripture, whatsoever things the law saith ( that means whatsoever) it saith to them that are under the law...

the law is not of faith Paul said

and Paul said that though the law he is dead to the law

I don't believe Michael is an Angel - he is God the Son appearing in the form of an Angel just as God and 2 angels appeared in the form of 3 men in Genesis 18.

Bible details matter

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
that is amazing, all these years and i didn't know they believed that. That is another Jesus. It would be a subtle denial of the deity of Jesus Christ. Similar to the Onness griots that deny the eternal Son

indeed - we don't believe Jesus was or is an Angel. We believe he has at times appeared "the form" of an Angel just as God and 2 angels appeared "in the form" of 3 men in Genesis 18.

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
Do you really believe that Michael is Jesus and God?

Michael is a form that God the Son has taken at times. Just as in Genesis 18 - God and 2 angels take the "form" of 3 men.

It is not incarnation - it is simply their ability to take a form.

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
Do you really believe that Michael is Jesus and God?

and 2 Corinthians 3 shows that the law written on tables of stone is abolished and done away a ministration of death and condemnation. This is clear in scripture, whatsoever things the law saith ( that means whatsoever) it saith to them that are under the law...

the law is not of faith Paul said

and Paul said that though the law he is dead to the law

So you can violate the 2nd Commandment and make graven images for youself to worship? If not, why?

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
God can speak through angels and prophets in the first person even. this does not make them God. Unto which of the angels said he at any time thou art my Son?

none

What was the Son's name before He was made flesh and given the name Jesus?

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 7, 2016

What is the differecne between the archangel and the captain of the Lord's host?

LoveofTruth · Dec 7, 2016

BobRyan said:
I don't believe Michael is an Angel - he is God the Son appearing in the form of an Angel just as God and 2 angels appeared in the form of 3 men in Genesis 18.

Bible details matter

well, scripture does say he is

"
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil..."

and

"Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."

to this one issue alone is grounds to withdraw from such groups

LoveofTruth · Dec 7, 2016

EastCoastRemnant said:
What is the differecne between the archangel and the captain of the Lord's host?

and angel is an angel, plain and simple, and to which of the angels said he at any time "thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee?", he never said this to any.

The Son of God was eternally existent and all things were created by him and for him. If all things are created by the Son (Colossians 1) then that excludes himself. he is not a created being but eternal and as the Son of God. God so loved the world that ha gave his only begotten Son.

LoveofTruth · Dec 7, 2016

EastCoastRemnant said:
So you can violate the 2nd Commandment and make graven images for youself to worship? If not, why?

all the law is fulifilled by jesus, every man has broken the law, even if they break one command they have broken them all, the law has done its work to lead them to Christ as a schoolmaster, but after the faith is come they are no longer under the schoolmaster.

all ten are done away as 2 Cor 3 says clear;y. The only ones who cannot see it are mentioned in the same chapter, those who read the old testament with the veil on their hearts.

think of this. If we saw four young men walking down a street and they see a large glass house with a big sign on it that says, "do not break my window, you must love me". The young men may not have been planning to do anything but they see the law and it provokes their fallen nature and they throw rocks, exposing themselves as sinner. But now they all get saved and they go back and help that man clean up the glass and are kind to him. He is no longer afraid of them smashing the glass and so he can take down the sign. They do not need to follow an outward code to be righteous. The don't deny font's did not make them righteous. They are now in the love of God and will not hurt their neighbour. They are in the do do do by Gods power. The sign can come down now. But it might be put back up for other unsaved people yet not for the righteous men in faith

the law is not made for a righteous man. I ask you do you consider yourself righteous? if so the law is not for you.

we read in scripture of the end of the law and that the law is not of faith

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
well, scripture does say he is

"
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil..."

and

"Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia."

to this one issue alone is grounds to withdraw from such groups

Indeed Michael exists

And "scripture does say 3 men" in Genesis 18 for God and the two angels.

But as we all know - that does not mean God or angels either one - are really just "men".

Isaiah 9 -- the ONLY prince from heaven - given to us in all of scripture

For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Dan 10
21 However, I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth. Yet there is no one who stands firmly with me against these forces except Michael your prince.

And of course God the Son (and not some angel) is the head of all Angels

Hebrews 1 -
6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”

Rev 12
7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and His angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.

BobRyan · Dec 7, 2016

LoveofTruth said:
all the law is fulifilled by jesus, every man has broken the law, even if they break one command they have broken them all, the law has done its work to lead them to Christ as a schoolmaster, but after the faith is come they are no longer under the schoolmaster.

all ten are done away as 2 Cor 3 says clear;y.

2 Cor 3 does not say the Ten Commandments are done away with.

So then - still wrong to take God's name in vain.

And as Romans 3:31 says "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"

No wonder that for all eternity in the new earth "From SABBATH to SABBATH shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder "what matters is keeping the COMMANDMENTS of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Because EVEN in the NT "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Thus the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 is UNCHANGED in Hebrews 8:6-10 and once the moral LAW of God which includes the TEN Commandments is no longer the schoolmaster of the lost directing them to the Savior - it is then "WRITTEN on the heart and mind" under the NEW Covenant.

A Bible detail so incredibly obvious that even these pro-sunday groups admit it.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

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