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you can get your virginity back?
And how are you so sure they actually did wear them before getting famous? Their word is not nessecarily true. Again, Britney did the whole virgin til marriage routine; and I honestly feel bad for her as it's clear the press was unfair to her, and she clearly has issues; but that's another thread. However, to assume that something is true just because someone says it is, and not be critical if they make it so public, is not very becoming to the discussion of virginity pledges.
Because I have seen pictures and have read articles of their pre-famous days. What I am troubled by is that you don't want me to assume things are true because they say so, but you are doing the same in assuming that JB possibly has the motive to boost their album sales. You don't want to give the benefit of the doubt to people who act like Christians. I understand your doubts for Britney, in the way she acts in public, but with JB? What have they done that made you think that perhaps their motive is not as clean as you want to believe? You say it's suspicious when people's album sales drop and they come with the purity ring, but I'm saying that JB has always had these rings on if you research on their pre-famous days.
The point being I don't understand Purity Balls, Purity Rings, or public pledges. It's no-one's business - and I have no idea why the Jonas Brothers woul announce such a vow if it is supposed to be a personal, private decision. Why announce it if not for the fringe benefits? I just think it's curious that one will assume Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton released their sex tapes, and that Britney lied about her own virginity for record sales and to further a manufactured image; but heaven forbid one thinks that the Jonas Brothers could also be lying for the PR.
I already addressed this in my post, about how perhaps they really want to tell others about God with their ring, just like I do?
That has nothing to do with being a Christian - and has everything to do with taking a critical look at the media, pop culture, and public personas.
In your decision to bold one sentence of my original post, you missed a very important point that summs up uh, exactly what I said here and expanded upon several times.
Just because I strongly disagree with you, doesn't mean I missed your point. It just means I strongly disagree with you. I would give the benefit of the doubt to Christians who bear good fruits. Unless if I see JB do something that would make me doubt that they're Christians, I will continue to believe that they are, and just like us, they want to preach the gospel, and one way is through their rings.
Point being? May not be impossible that so-and-so who's famous and appeals to 7 year olds has to take on a different persona than one who appeals to 25 year olds. However, it's naiive to assume that just because someone says someone stole our sex tape, or that they believe in Purity Pledges, there are no fringe benefits or other motivations whatsoever to going public with something that private. Just as there fringe benefits to David Lee Roth acting like a sex-crazed, chauvinist pig throughout his career.
Just as there may be motive to boost album sales, there may also be a motive to really preach the gospel. I believe in the latter if I see that someone is truly a Christian by the way he/she testifies. I don't really see why assume the negative. Why not give the benefit of the doubt especially when someone truly acts like a Christian? Would you assume that I'm not really a virgin like I claim and that my motive for wearing a purity ring is to be popular or whatever, when you have no proof to support this? If not, why would you bring this up against JB? They're good role models, and deserve fellow Christians' support. They already get enough crap from non-Christians. They don't need that from us as well.
dang... i guess they really do sell everything!
Quirk, it is certainly possible that people like the Jonas brothers use purity rings to boost sales. It does work, parents are encouraged to use them as a role model for their children. I cannot fathom why you think this is a bad thing though. Of course, the using it for profits thing is bad, sure,
I am sorry if I'm coming off offensive Quirk, I do not mean to. I'm simply but why would you be mad with people who are setting a good example at that level of fame. There are so many celebrities in this world who live sinful lives, give all the glory to themselves, and no recognition to God, and that is who our children (and our adults) look up to in the world. If there was no celebrities like Jonas brothers (even though I can't stand their music, I respect them) all we would have is bad examples on tv. You would rather have that?trying to understand your viewpoint because I can't understand it from your posts so far. It seems like you are saying that Christians should quietly keep to themselves, but anyone else is entitled to say and do whatever they want in public.
Yah, but that is just what you have expereinced. There are bound to be plenty of individuals who have done the deed in a committed relationship before tying the knot.
For the record as a social conservative, I oppose premarital sex on practical grounds, as even the most seemingly stable relationship can go south, but demonizing those who do engage in it certainly isn't helpful.
Amen! A lot of Christians who, although cannot stand JB's music, still respect them for standing up for God.
So I'll say I'm cautiously optimistic about them. But I'm going to stay very cautious about my optimism with them for a good while.
Maybe I sound like Quirk, but I really doubt that most who have had it taken from them ever want it back. Are there exceptions, sure. But I said "most".
I agree.I don't think virginity is something to celebrate or make fun of. Virginity is simply a state of being, like having blue eyes or being male or female. It just is.
I just find it difficult to believe that the JoBros haven't done anything sexual.As a Jonas Brothers fan, I am quite shocked by your accusation especially when you're a Christian and a sister-in-Christ to those boys. Firstly, the Jonas Brothers (JB) started wearing the rings BEFORE they became famous. Joe made that vow when he was 12 and he's now 19. The other brothers made that vow to God around the same time. Even before they became very famous, they have been interviewed by reporters and never once did they stop giving glory to God for giving them the gift of music, and for being there to love them, and for getting them through the hard times. They even preached the idea of accountability, just like how the brothers were accountable to each other as they knew each other's weaknesses. How could you accuse them of publicizing their virginity for the purpose of selling records, when they have been Christians who are against pre-marital sex their whole lives? Have you ever thought that they are trying to change the world's view that single boys being virgins are abnormal, and that the truth is that God intends sex to be within a marriage only? Because of JB, several virgins I know are now speaking up against pre-marital sex, which is something they didn't have guts to do before, because it was considered "weird". When celebrities could testify for God in front of millions, it encourages us to do the same. I am just shocked that you don't seem to be siding with Christians who could do that. I pray for JB from time to time in the hope that they don't fall into temptation, and that they will continue to be the light in this dark world, and that they never be ashamed of the gospel.
By the way, I myself started wearing a purity ring because of JB. Obviously, I was against pre-marital sex before that, but I just didn't know what a purity ring was until JB came along. Why do I wear one? It's because it allows people to ask me why I have a ring on my left ring finger when I'm not married. They, of course, don't understand that a ring on the left ring finger could signify something else. Then I tell them it's a purity ring, and that they can look that up in Wikipedia if they're not familiar with the term. I stop there. I don't go into explicit details especially when I have just met the person. Some people have gone back to me, and say that they have looked up what purity ring represents, and that they admire me for my decision as there are not a lot of girls like that. This definitely opens up the door for them to consider Christianity. When they give me a positive response like that, it also opens up the door for me to go further about God and why I'm doing this for Him. So in summary, a purity ring is not showing off one's self-righteousness; it gives the opportunity to preach the gospel, and to show the world that there is a better way to live.
It shouldn't matter what other people say though. I know words can hurt, but do other people's comments really matter, especially for something so personal?
Oh I have. Too many times. I was in high school from 1984-1988 and my generation was probably the most sexually active at that age in history. AIDS really has made an impact on sexual activity of young people. It hasn't prevented it but it has lessened it at least a little. When I was a freshman the great majority of people were virgins but by the time we were seniors those numbers were much smaller. The big joke was being a virgin at graduation. That was like something shameful. Those that made a stand to abstain until marriage really did have to deal with a lot. They didn't get much if any respect from the majority of the other students. They were joked about a lot. Was it right? No. But that didn't stop it from happening. People that were virgins were looked at as being losers, pathetic, immature, uber nerds, things like that. The best thing to do at that time was to keep it to yourself and just let the others guess if you were or not.Other than that, I've never heard of anyone making fun of anyone else for their choice to abstain from sex.
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