Why do other Christians hate Calvinist so much?

VCViking · Jan 16, 2012

If you whiners think this is elementary school bickering and ludicrous, you should of seen it around here several years ago. It was alot worse.

Discussions of doctrine, theology, etc can be healthy and edifying, so as long as one is not becoming hostile and making apparent false accusations, name calling, etc. I see one on the attack and one defending.

If people can't discuss doctrine, why then do you waste your time coming here?

VCViking · Jan 16, 2012

A good book the topic written by *gasp* a man.

Spurgeon v. Hyper-Calvinism: The Battle for Gospel Preaching

VCViking · Jan 16, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
thank you for your post it just proves that the Bible is true again, Let God be true but every man a lair,

Do you go to a church? Does this church have Pastors, Elders, Deacons? If you do, then you sit under their peaching and teaching. Are they liars because they are men?

VCViking · Jan 16, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
thank you for your post it just proves that the Bible is true again,

Do you really mean thank you or are you just be sarcastic and didn't mean what you said?

Don't get me wrong, I am not one to be lite on sarcasm but unfortunately I will give an account of it.

So it appears you came out "WITH GUNS A BLAZING! blasting away."

Osage Bluestem · Jan 16, 2012

Other Christians hate us?

VCViking · Jan 16, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
well I know that won't have the impact that it should, for with Calvinist every don't mean every, as all don't mean all. now does it?

Have you actually studied the topic or do you just come "WITH GUNS A BLAZING! blasting away," every time you hear the word Calvinism?

Several years ago, I used to do the same thing as you. Why? Because I was ignorant. Ignorant is not a derogatory term but simply means "lacking knowledge." I really was. I listened to one man and his interpretation of Clavinism, who painted Calvinism as evil and wicked and anyone who was a Calvinist was/is not saved. He told me he studied this extensivly on the subject. I found out later that basically was about one book against it.

When things didn't click as to what he told me, I did my own independent study, using several books, sermons, articles and much prayer. I came to my own conclusion about the topic and realized he was wrong.

I suggest you do the same.

Hammster · Jan 16, 2012

VCViking said:
Have you actually studied the topic or do you just come "WITH GUNS A BLAZING! blasting away," every time you hear the word Calvinism?

Several years ago, I used to do the same thing as you. Why? Because I was ignorant. Ignorant is not a derogatory term but simply means "lacking knowledge." I really was. I listened to one man and his interpretation of Clavinism, who painted Calvinism as evil and wicked and anyone who was a Calvinist was/is not saved. He told me he studied this extensivly on the subject. I found out later that basically was about one book against it.

When things didn't click as to what he told me, I did my own independent study, using several books, sermons, articles and much prayer. I came to my own conclusion about the topic and realized he was wrong.

I suggest you do the same.

Brother, I would encourage him just to read the Canons of Dort so he can see clearly the arguments being made. But I really doubt that will happen.

cimbk · Jan 16, 2012

VCViking said:
Have you actually studied the topic or do you just come "WITH GUNS A BLAZING! blasting away," every time you hear the word Calvinism?

Several years ago, I used to do the same thing as you. Why? Because I was ignorant. Ignorant is not a derogatory term but simply means "lacking knowledge." I really was. I listened to one man and his interpretation of Clavinism, who painted Calvinism as evil and wicked and anyone who was a Calvinist was/is not saved. He told me he studied this extensivly on the subject. I found out later that basically was about one book against it.

When things didn't click as to what he told me, I did my own independent study, using several books, sermons, articles and much prayer. I came to my own conclusion about the topic and realized he was wrong.

I suggest you do the same.

I would imagine someone telling you your unsaved would of been a red flag for error........I don't think anyone would say a Calvinist error would negate their salvation, much the same way (at least today) the pre-trib rapture would not hinder someones salvation

twin1954 · Jan 16, 2012

cimbk said:
I would imagine someone telling you your unsaved would of been a red flag for error........I don't think anyone would say a Calvinist error would negate their salvation, much the same way (at least today) the pre-trib rapture would not hinder someones salvation

Unless, of course, it was true.

phoenixdem · Jan 16, 2012

twin1954 said:
Unless, of course, it was true.

It is amazing how many "Christians" will tell you that you are unsaved if you don't subscribe to their favorite interpretation of Scripture.

I will go to Hell because I attend Church on Sunday rather than Saturday. I will go to Hell because I believe in the soverignty of God in the salvation of mankind rather than believe that man has the spark of divinity in himself and can save himself by his own works or simply because he decides on his own volition that he is good enough to be saved.

The whole thing is getting rather silly, or would be silly if it wasn't a thing that divided christianity. The only one who wins by dividing Christianity is Satan. In this day, Christians must be very careful. There are great deceiving spirits whispering in the ears of man. That is why we must stay close to Christ in our walk and "try the spirits" to make sure of what they truly are.

twin1954 · Jan 16, 2012

phoenixdem said:
It is amazing how many "Christians" will tell you that you are unsaved if you don't subscribe to their favorite interpretation of Scripture.

I will go to Hell because I attend Church on Sunday rather than Saturday. I will go to Hell because I believe in the soverignty of God in the salvation of mankind rather than believe that man has the spark of divinity in himself and can save himself by his own works or simply because he decides on his own volition that he is good enough to be saved.

The whole thing is getting rather silly, or would be silly if it wasn't a thing that divided christianity. The only one who wins by dividing Christianity is Satan. In this day, Christians must be very careful. There are great deceiving spirits whispering in the ears of man. That is why we must stay close to Christ in our walk and "try the spirits" to make sure of what they truly are.

Which is more loving: to tell someone the truth and be despised for it or to leave them in their deception and be their friend?

phoenixdem · Jan 16, 2012

twin1954 said:
Which is more loving: to tell someone the truth and be despised for it or to leave them in their deception and be their friend?

That depends on the person's truth. Truth lies with Christ, not man.

twin1954 · Jan 16, 2012

phoenixdem said:
That depends on the person's truth. Truth lies with Christ, not man.

And the whole argument between the Calvinist and the free-will believers centers on who Christ is and what He did.

jax5434 · Jan 16, 2012

twin1954 said:
Which is more loving: to tell someone the truth and be despised for it or to leave them in their deception and be their friend?

I agree, which is why some of us remain on these boards. There is always hope you will eventually learn the truth.

God Bless
Jax

twin1954 · Jan 16, 2012

jax5434 said:
I agree, which is why some of us remain on these boards. There is always hope you will eventually learn the truth.

God Bless
Jax

I fully understand that. Which is why I made the statements that I did. You hope that I learn the truth and I hope the same thing for you.

cimbk · Jan 16, 2012

twin1954 said:
Unless, of course, it was true.

a Calvinest isn't saved or the pre-trib theory is true?

cimbk · Jan 16, 2012

phoenixdem said:
It is amazing how many "Christians" will tell you that you are unsaved if you don't subscribe to their favorite interpretation of Scripture.

I will go to Hell because I attend Church on Sunday rather than Saturday. I will go to Hell because I believe in the soverignty of God in the salvation of mankind rather than believe that man has the spark of divinity in himself and can save himself by his own works or simply because he decides on his own volition that he is good enough to be saved.

The whole thing is getting rather silly, or would be silly if it wasn't a thing that divided christianity. The only one who wins by dividing Christianity is Satan. In this day, Christians must be very careful. There are great deceiving spirits whispering in the ears of man. That is why we must stay close to Christ in our walk and "try the spirits" to make sure of what they truly are.

why would you need to stay close to Christ, He will never leave you or forsake you, and those decieving spirits are only a concern for the unsaved, it would be impossible for a predestined elect to be deceivedall those warnings though given to the church, were for the unsaved......not exactly sure why but, the only other interpretation would mean they might be deceived.....but well you know!

VCViking · Jan 16, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
I can only speak for myself I don't hate calvinist, but do hate the calvinist doctrine of Grace, quote]

Could you elaborate on this? Do you hate biblical grace or the calvinist grace? Is there a difference and if so, could you explain them both. Thanks.

Skala · Jan 16, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
are you saying that calvinist believe that whosoever will, can call upon the name of the Lord and be saved? that all men have a chance through Christ to be saved?

Yes. That's exactly what Calvinists believe.

Every single person who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

Not one more, and not one less. That's what Calvinists believe.

twin1954 · Jan 16, 2012

cimbk said:
a Calvinest isn't saved or the pre-trib theory is true?

Sorry but I won't be baited.

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