Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

faroukfarouk said:

Reading Galatians, there is a very strong message that the New Testament believer is under grace, not the law.

Hebrews 7.12 says that the law was changed.

Hebrews 7.19 says that what we now have is better than the law.

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I think you mean, or it is written,
not to count on the law for righteousness - we cannot be saved by keeping the law.

However, the law is not burdensome if we are already RIGHTEOUS.

Just like the traffic laws are not too hard to obey.

curious mike said:

Please note guys that I am not here to condemn any christian. Yes, the above which you wrote is what I am trying to get a handle on, I am currently doing some reading on this get back to you, thanks.

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I am glad you do not condemn over this. My answer is, the Sabbath was given to persons in power that those subject to them would get a day from rest. Most Christians do keep a Sabbath.

Original Happy Camper said:

Jesus's rest is the Seventh Day Sabbath that HE sanctified.
(see the fourth commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 )
HE rested after six days of creation, Seventh day Sabbath,
HE rested in the grave on the Sabbath.

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I don't see how you come to this conclusion from Hebrews 4.
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

When David wrote Psalm 95, they already had the Sabbath, hence the writer of Hebrews makes it a point to say "after so long a time".
So there was no way that the verse is referring to the weekly Sabbath.

Doug Melven said:

I don't see how you come to this conclusion from Hebrews 4.
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

When David wrote Psalm 95, they already had the Sabbath, hence the writer of Hebrews makes it a point to say "after so long a time".
So there was no way that the verse is referring to the weekly Sabbath.

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Good point imo. Similarly Moses says:
De 12:9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.
The seventh day Sabbath was given in a culture far removed from our own in specific ways. Such as the power people exercised over others. Purchasing people for slaves etc, is not a part of our culture so much like that. The command was to ensure servants or slaves were given a rest from their servitude to their masters.
Ex 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

curious mike said:

and he had said "obey my laws" which was referring to the 10 commandments.

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I think this is an incorrect assumption.
When Jesus referred to God's laws, He said, "It is written".
When Jesus referred to the rest of the laws, He said, "You have heard it has been said".
So let's take a look at some examples of this.
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God
Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

When Jesus quotes the 10 commandments with the exception of Mark 7:10 He never says "It is written.
In Mark 7:10 He says, "Moses says", but earlier in the chapter He says this is a command of God that the Pharisees were ignoring.

The 10 Commandments were given to show us our sinful state.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Most in name Christians don't follow the ten commandments, don't honor YHVH or His Word or Jesus, because most in name Christians are told not to. (by in name religious leaders and other in name Christians)

Original Happy Camper said:

Please supply biblical support for this belief.

Thanks in advance

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Colossians 2
Hebrews 4

Doug Melven said:

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

From these verses we see that the Sabbath is about rest, now look at what Jesus said in Matthew
11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Believers are in Christ, therefore Jesus is our Sabbath.

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The Sabbath is the Lord's who is the Lord of the the Sabbath --"the Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" ... "your" God's. The Lord is your Lord, not your Sabbath. The Lord's Day is a "Day" ... not your day either. Maybe your "Rest-Day"; BUT NOT YOUR OR ANYONE'S REST! Don't you see it, if you say the Sabbath is your Rest, you speak legalist, not grace. "If Jesus gave them Rest", "the Rest of God", He gave HIMSELF "for the people of God". Now the Scripture does not say 'Jesus gave them the Sabbath' to be their Rest in God; that is legalism! The Scripture unmistakably, simply, says, "If Jesus gave them Rest (Himself God's Rest) THEN THERE THEREFORE, for the people of God (unmistakably and simply) remains their resting the Sabbath Day" -- simply the Commandment which the people of God should do "remains" with no merit therein to be reckoned to their account. All that remains for the people of God is that if they do NOT DO this Command, they are not obeying. But if the People of God, the People of God obey and do not disobey. "For the Word of God is sharper than a two edged SWORD" to dissect the false excuses and evil intent of the heart of men.

Joelthe vicious said:

Don't you see it, if you say the Sabbath is your Rest, you speak legalist, not grace.

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No.
The 7th day Sabbath is sanctified by YHVH , not by mankind.
It is made holy by YHVH, set apart by Him, always as He Says.
YHVH RESTED ! PURE GRACE !
YHVH said this the very first week of creation.
JESUS repeated it and lived it, as also HE TAUGHT all His Apostles and disciples and followers, as seen all through the NT.

Original Happy Camper said:

Jesus's rest is the Seventh Day Sabbath that HE sanctified.

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For you! Keep it at for you, and don't make it mine or our's, will you?!

Jesus' Rest is Jesus! ,"The Rest of God" -- HIMSELF! Not your, 'Sabbath', thanks! There's no difference between your untruth here and the Sundayers' untruth that 'Jesus is our rest'. Both are surreal nonsense.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

No.
The 7th day Sabbath is sanctified by YHVH , not by mankind.
It is made holy by YHVH, set apart by Him, always as He Says.
YHVH RESTED ! PURE GRACE !
YHVH said this the very first week of creation.
JESUS repeated it and lived it, as also HE TAUGHT all His Apostles and disciples and followers, as seen all through the NT.

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...the umpteenth time one will find it is the Seventhdayers, not the Sundayers, who will keep on yapping, never prepared to admit their folly. I have seen it millions of times, it is the Sabbatharians who oppose the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus' making and Lordship-- the Sabbath DAY OF HIS RESURRECTION! Not the Sundaydarians. Because the Sundaydarians from the dark ages already have been able at least to perceive the LIGHT OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION SHINING ON THE DAY HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON--the truth which no Sabbatharians yet have had the COURAGE OR CHARACTER to discern, but audacity unrivalled to fight with straw and nothing but, STRAW.

Joelthe vicious said:

For you! Keep it at for you, and don't make it mine or our's, will you?!

Jesus' Rest is Jesus! ,"The Rest of God" -- HIMSELF! Not your, 'Sabbath', thanks! There's no difference between your untruth here and the Sundayers' untruth that 'Jesus is our rest'. Both are surreal nonsense.

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ooops...... "we" in some places read Genesis as part of the BIBLE.

Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy ...
biblehub.com/genesis/2-3.htm
Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. ... "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

Original Happy Camper said:

4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

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The KJV with all due respect --and love-- is wrong with the word, 'rest' here. Hebrews IN CONTEXT more than halve a dozen times uses the word 'katapausis' for the concept of 'rest', "the Rest-of-GOD"; not the once only HERE in context used word 'sabbatismos'. 'Sabbatismos', "...Sabbath DAY's work-of-rest for the PEOPLE of God".

yeshuaslavejeff said:

ooops...... "we" in some places read Genesis as part of the BIBLE.

Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy ...
biblehub.com/genesis/2-3.htm
Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. ... "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

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...with nothing but STRAW I said.

Doug Melven said:

I don't see how you come to this conclusion from Hebrews 4.
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

When David wrote Psalm 95, they already had the Sabbath, hence the writer of Hebrews makes it a point to say "after so long a time".
So there was no way that the verse is referring to the weekly Sabbath.

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I fail to see the logic. Make it my fault, it is also alright.

Soyeong said:

In Isaiah 64:6, it was not God speaking, but rather it was the people complaining about how they though God viewed their actions because he was not coming down and making His presence known as He did in days of old. God does not command His people all throughout the Bible to repent and return to obedience to His Law and then turn around and show disdain and contempt for our actions when we repent and seek by faith to obey His Law. The reality is that the righteous deeds of the saints are like fine white linen (Revelations 19:8). Dead works are sins in transgression of the Law that lead to death.

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Thank you, it's edifying.

Joelthe vicious said:

...with nothing but STRAW I said.

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Where do you buy your straw ? A local farmer's market ?

Joelthe vicious said:

...the umpteenth time one will find it is the Seventhdayers, not the Sundayers, who will keep on yapping, never prepared to admit their folly. I have seen it millions of times, it is the Sabbatharians who oppose the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus' making and Lordship-- the Sabbath DAY OF HIS RESURRECTION! Not the Sundaydarians. Because the Sundaydarians from the dark ages already have been able at least to perceive the LIGHT OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION SHINING ON THE DAY HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON--the truth which no Sabbatharians yet have had the COURAGE OR CHARACTER to discern, but audacity unrivalled to fight with straw and nothing but, STRAW.

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Saying that Jesus rose on a Sunday so we should disobey God's command to keep the Sabbath makes as little sense as saying that Jesus rose on a Sunday, so we should disobey God's commands against idolatry, adultery, theft, murder, or any of God's other commands. There is nothing wrong with forming a tradition of honoring Christ's resurrection as often or as infrequently as you want, but that shouldn't keep us from also obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath, otherwise you fall under the same criticism that Jesus has of the Pharisees in Mark 7:6-9 for being hypocrites by setting aside the commands of God in order to establish our own traditions. It is impossible to honor God through disobeying His commands.

Soyeong said:

There is nothing wrong with forming a tradition of honoring Christ's resurrection as often or as infrequently as you want

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"Forming ANY Tradition" that is untrue
is contrary to YHVH'S Word.

as you also posted:

Soyeong said:

It is impossible to honor God through disobeying His commands.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

"Forming ANY Tradition" that is untrue
is contrary to YHVH'S Word.

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Starting with Moses, they had an understanding of how to obey God's Law, which they passed down to their children and so forth, so it would be almost impossible for us to follow God's commands without following a man-made tradition taught for how to obey those commands. Jesus kept a number of these man-made traditions, so there is nothing inherently wrong with them, but where Jesus had a problem with them was when they were contrary to what God had commanded.