Why do intellectually superior humans have around 7,000 distinct languages?

[dad]

You missed out the period after "prove".

You missed the period after 'missed'.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Shalom.
Moved.

 

[dad]

Not necessarily. The net energy of our universe is taken to be zero, as the gravitational force (the curvature of spacetime by energy, e.g. mass) is effectively negative energy (i.e. equal and opposite) so, as far as we can tell, it precisely balances the positive energy contributions.

Do we need any dark stuff to arrive at this math?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

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[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So you don't have any evidence whatsoever that the Tower of Babel never existed, but you adamantly cling to the idea that it did not exist for zero reason other than some strange desire to disbelieve the book of books.
OK

You really don't have a clue as to how evidence works.
How can I show you evidence for something that doesn't exist?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The Bible, as God's Word, has never failed / never been proven wrong. No, not ever.

Thus, it is the most reliable evidence you or anyone has ever witnessed.

Circular logic: The Bible is right because it's God's Word because the Bible is right because it's God's Word...

 

[klutedavid]

A calculation isn't a measurement. Mathematics can give all kinds of unexpected results, e.g. infinite series that sum to a finite value.

But calculations that produce infinities generally involve infinite limits, which this site explains better than I can - and with worked examples.

I read the link and I was not enlightened. The mathematics was rudimentary and infinity was not defined.

In mathematics infinity is described as an unbounded numerical entity. So for example on a number line of positive integers. As we travel along the number line, 1, 2, 3,..., the numbers are said to increase towards infinity.

The error is in the detail, increasing finite numbers never approach infinity. Finite numbers no matter how large are always merely finite numbers.

Infinity is an unbounded concept, where as finite numbers are bounded by definition.
We must not associate the concept of finite with the concept of infinite.

It is unfortunate and inconvenient for mathematics that infinity itself, is not and cannot be a numerical entity. We need an overhaul of the language of mathematics.

I mentioned, 'language', which is instep with the OP.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Shalom.
Moved.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sorry, did you miss that Yahweh's never once, ever, anyplace, in history or elsewhere, been shown to lie,
no one ever could show He was anything but Perfect, Righteous, and Just.

No one in any religion, or outside religion, .... no one ever.....

So don't worry about the chance of circular logic that the devil plays with, no.

Worry instead, and rightly, that you might not have another day to repent, as God who is never wrong knows.

Now I remember why I put you on ignore. You're definitely not someone to have a rational conversation with.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Shalom.
Moved.

 

[klutedavid]

Not necessarily. The net energy of our universe is taken to be zero, as the gravitational force (the curvature of spacetime by energy, e.g. mass) is effectively negative energy (i.e. equal and opposite) so, as far as we can tell, it precisely balances the positive energy contributions.

Sounds like an hypothesis, looks like an hypothesis, must be an hypothesis.

How about getting some observations from other points in the universe. Never base any claims or conclusions on one very small and isolated sample of the general population.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Jesus says "You are blessed if you do not stumble over ME (JESUS)."

Many stumble over JESUS, His Word, and don't recover.

Some recover. A few are saved.

No, I'm just stumbling over you.
You do know it is against forum rules to talk apologetics in the science forums, right?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Shalom.
Moved.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Do we need any dark stuff to arrive at this math?

If you mean the 'dark matter' phenomenon, that has the effect of matter gravitating, so its net contribution will be zero too.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't know what apologetics is, but thank you.

Have you found anyone, anywhere, ever in any religion or country,
who proved you right without error,

or who ever proved anything of Yahweh wrong ? See? You have no proof of what you claim or believe, do you?

^ This right here? This is apologetics. Stop it.

 

[dad]

If you mean the 'dark matter' phenomenon, that has the effect of matter gravitating, so its net contribution will be zero too.

I see, so is there any way to actually check and see what the net energy is out in deep space?
You can't include an expanding universe by the way, since that is just a belief based concept of what redshifted light means that cannot be supported in the distant universe.

Let me save time here, no, they can't check.

 

[dad]

You really don't have a clue as to how evidence works.
How can I show you evidence for something that doesn't exist?

How can you claim anything never existed unless you know either way?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I see, so is there any way to actually check and see what the net energy is out in deep space?
You can't include an expanding universe by the way, since that is just a belief based concept of what redshifted light means that cannot be supported in the distant universe.
Let me save time here, no, they can't check.

Tell me what "net energy" means and is and I'll go check, Yahweh Willing.

Is it the energy in a big net somewhere ?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How can you claim anything never existed unless you know either way?

Because there is no evidence for it. That's why. No one has turned up any evidence for the Tower of Babel ever existing as described in the Bible.
It's an allegorical story at best.

 

[dad]

Tell me what "net energy" means and is and I'll go check, Yahweh Willing.

Is it the energy in a big net somewhere ?

Ha. Well, I think it is mostly imaginary nonsense. It comes from a hopelessly godless and skewed view of the created universe as seen from earth.

'IF...yada yada yada...and IF ...blah blah blah...and IF ad nausea...then maybe...yada yada blah blah'!