Why Do Evolutionist Debate?

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
Then we are to throw away the bible?

No, just creationism.

Because there is no evoluional evidence in the bible![b/]

So what? There's no evidence of quantum mechanics in the bible either.

The book of Genesis in the bible is all pointing at CREATION (God is a CREATOR, not an evolver)

Learn the spiritual lesson it is trying to teach you, and leave it at that.

If evolution was evident, then there would be no reason to debate about it!

Evolution is every bit as evident as gravity. We debate evolution and not gravity because there is nothing in the bible that, taken literally, contradicts the theory of gravity.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

No, just creationism

How exactly can someone throw away Creationism and not the Bible?

 

[Warrior FC]

You can't!....

God is the CREATOR and the bible plainly says that...

 

[kern]

Originally posted by s0uljah
How exactly can someone throw away Creationism and not the Bible?

I think by "creationism" he specifically meant a worldview that denies evolution.

-Chris

 

[wildernesse]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
Satan is the god of this world and if you are not born again (a new CREATION) than you don't understand or see (spititually speaking) and are under the power of satan and therefore you believe the lies he tells you to be truths or facts!

If evolution was NOT a tool of satan then "the theory of evolution" would glorify God and confirm creation rather than oppose it!

Evolution actually does not speak of how life began. It only deals with how life changed once it began. I believe that God created life, or even the conditions that would allow life. I can find nothing in the Bible that says that life never changed once it started.

I am a born-again Christian, so now what is your excuse for me accepting evolution?

I also noticed that you haven't responded to my post about the changes/evolution of language in historical times and how that relates to the tower of Babel. I'm very interested in your ideas about this, so please respond.

--tibac

 

[Warrior FC]

Kern.... I don't have a "world view".

I speak only for myself, then I must not be a "creationist", as you all say.

I'm a christian that believes that GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS!

 

[wildernesse]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
Then we are to throw away the bible?

Because there is no evoluional evidence in the bible!

The book of Genesis in the bible is all pointing at CREATION (God is a CREATOR, not an evolver)

If evolution was evident, then there would be no reason to debate about it!

The Bible is not a scientific book. It does not tell us about the speed of light or advanced mathematics or give us an understanding of physics that allows us to fly.

It is a spiritual guide. It is God's message to humankind about who He is and what He expects of us.

There is no reason to throw out the Bible from your spiritual life--but if you are interested in this natural world and details of the mechanisms that drive the world, you need to look at the natural world and it alone for understanding.

And a side note: If God were evident, then there would be no reason to have apologetics.

--tibac

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Evolution actually does not speak of how life began. It only deals with how life changed once it began. I believe that God created life, or even the conditions that would allow life. I can find nothing in the Bible that says that life never changed once it started.

Hey wildernesse-

How can you have evolution before the Fall of man, since death and "meat-eaters" came into the world after Adam/Eve?

Thanks!

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

And a side note: If God were evident, then there would be no reason to have apologetics.

Nor faith, nor choice, either.

 

[wildernesse]

I believe that the death of Adam and Eve is a spiritual death--since they kept on living after they were cast out of the garden. No one could have eaten anything if there was no death prior to the Fall, because cells are killed in the digestive process. Plants are still alive, you know.

If you're refering to Genesis 9 where God gives meat to humans, I think that animals were eating meat before the fall--just people weren't.

Anyway, the message that I get from Genesis is that God created the world and saw that it was good. He gave man spiritual life and the ability to commune with him, but because we don't have the wisdom needed to make the best choices we are separated from God and His will.

--tibac

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

If you're refering to Genesis 9 where God gives meat to humans, I think that animals were eating meat before the fall--just people weren't.

No, I am refering to Genesis 1, where God says He gives plants to all the animals.

 

[Warrior FC]

Originally posted by wildernesse
Evolution actually does not speak of how life began. It only deals with how life changed once it began. I believe that God created life, or even the conditions that would allow life. I can find nothing in the Bible that says that life never changed once it started.

I am a born-again Christian, so now what is your excuse for me accepting evolution?

I also noticed that you haven't responded to my post about the changes/evolution of language in historical times and how that relates to the tower of Babel. I'm very interested in your ideas about this, so please respond.

--tibac

"I don't believe in god and never will again. And it's the evidence for evolution that makes me say that."

The above statement made by someone here on this board shows that The Theory Of Evolution itself can make people lose their FAITH in God as their CREATOR!

Since you are a christian, this doesn't anger you?

The studying of the Theory of Evolution is a reason many fall away from God and lose their Faith in Him.

I'm a glad that you are able to do both, but be warned not to be pulled away from that child-like faith that God has once put in you.

We don't have to understand everything, afterall God created the same minds that we use to try and discredit Him with!

 

 

[wildernesse]

Originally posted by s0uljah
No, I am refering to Genesis 1, where God says He gives plants to all the animals.

If you take this literally, then lions and other carnivores must have evolved after the fall. Their digestive system from teeth to gut does not allow them to eat plants as their sole energy source. This also applies to animals/bacteria/fungi that survive off of decomposing organic material.

And this still backs up that there was death before the fall--plant death. No, the individual plants may not have died, but the cells that were eaten did.

--tibac

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
"I don't believe in god and never will again. And it's the evidence for evolution that makes me say that."

The above statement made by someone here on this board shows that The Theory Of Evolution itself can make people lose their FAITH in God as their CREATOR!

Since you are a christian, this doesn't anger you?

No. What angers me is the lie that person was told that made him think that God couldn't exist if evolution were true. That lie, not the truth of God's creation, drove someone away from God.

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by s0uljah
How exactly can someone throw away Creationism and not the Bible?

Treat Genesis metaphorically and not literally.

 

[wildernesse]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
"I don't believe in god and never will again. And it's the evidence for evolution that makes me say that."

The above statement made by someone here on this board shows that The Theory Of Evolution itself can make people lose their FAITH in God as their CREATOR!

Since you are a christian, this doesn't anger you?

The studying of the Theory of Evolution is a reason many fall away from God and lose their Faith in Him.

I'm a glad that you are able to do both, but be warned not to be pulled away from that child-like faith that God has once put in you.

We don't have to understand everything, afterall God created the same minds that we use to try and discredit Him with!

 

I'm angered at the doctrine that they believed made God so small that if he didn't fit into their pre-conceived box, then he didn't exist at all. I'm angry at the Christianity that doesn't allow for differing interpretations of the Bible or that denies reality. If all you ever learned was falsity from the pulpit about the natural world, why should you take their word about spiritual things? I'm angry at the anti-intellectualism that some Christianity falls into. I'm angry at the idea that Christianity is a religion for simple-minded people or for people who have to deny their senses and turn their brains off.

I appreciate your warning not to lose my faith in God. I doubt I need it though--however, I'm glad that my salvation does not depend in my faith in fellow Christians for I would never be saved.

I see no reason why we shouldn't strive to understand all that we can. I do not accept ignorance as part of being a Christian.

--tibac

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by s0uljah
How exactly can someone throw away Creationism and not the Bible?

Start by trying to throw out geocentrism and not the Bible; it's much easier, and you've probably done it all your life without thinking about it.

 

[Warrior FC]

Originally posted by seebs
No. What angers me is the lie that person was told that made him think that God couldn't exist if evolution were true. That lie, not the truth of God's creation, drove someone away from God.

Then if evolution is true nd the bible is also true, what is the first thing that God created before it started to evolve?

 

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Originally posted by Warrior FC
The above statement made by someone here on this board shows that The Theory Of Evolution itself can make people lose their FAITH in God as their CREATOR!

Since you are a christian, this doesn't anger you?

That's because some of those in authority have foolishly tied their faith to claims that are scientifically untenable. THAT is what should anger you.

The studying of the Theory of Evolution is a reason many fall away from God and lose their Faith in Him.

If Christianity is to remain relevant to its followers, then it behooves Christian theologians to find a way to make their faith be less in conflict with reality.

I'm a glad that you are able to do both, but be warned not to be pulled away from that child-like faith that God has once put in you.

Translation: Don't ask too many questions or you're going to hell.

We don't have to understand everything, afterall God created the same minds that we use to try and discredit Him with!

Translation: Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

you take this literally, then lions and other carnivores must have evolved after the fall. Their digestive system from teeth to gut does not allow them to eat plants as their sole energy source

My Bible reads...animals first, then mankind.

As far as why they have fangs, and certain digestive systems, I could just say it was part of the curse.