Why do creationists redefine and/or make up words out-of-context?

[AV1611VET]

They serve as evidence for belief in God.

Which came first? the evidence or the belief?

 

[Non sequitur]

Amen. Neither does it give "natural" beings the highest form of intelligence which is like God's. Only the descendants of Adam are Humans.

Nor does it "give" "intelligence".

Maybe you should read up on the subject.

Go find the nearest Ape and change it into a descendant of Adam IF you think you can. If evolutionism was true, Trump is right and we are nothing but animals...just like the racist Darwin preached.

I can't change it into anything.

Again, you should read up on these things you are talking about, because you misrepresent them at every possible turn.

 

[Clint Edwards]

I not only don't care if other people are theists or not, but I have been a seeker for over 9 years. Debating whether or not deities exist just makes me depressed because I get told "look around you" and "you aren't trying hard enough to find evidence of god" so much.

You are a seeker, that says much about your intellectual maturity. Before you seek outwardly, in my opinion, you must identify in your mind why the atheist position is unsettling to you and doesn't satisfy your need for wholeness.

Then you should turn outwardly looking for that which is true, logical, answers the fundamental questions of philosophy to your satisfaction, answers your personal questions, and strongly resonates with your spiritual nature. None of this is easy, it is work.

For me Christianity was the obvious truth, and answered every question and need.

Others find their truth elsewhere.

I wish you only the best in your search, don;'t give up.

 

[Clint Edwards]

Sounds like you are in the wrong subforum, then. Not sure why you came to the Creationism vs. Evolution subforum to talk abiogenesis, astronomy, and cosmology. You should take that over to Physical and Life Sciences.

I will, however, recommend reading the work of Jack Szostak for more on abiogenesis.

Also, people discuss fossil records on here all the time, so I am not sure what you think is "old fashioned" about it. Definitely a dead horse, mind you, but it persists.

Rate of change in separated populations intrigues me. I don't actually see a lot of creationists comment on it, so I am curious as to what you have to offer on the matter.

I "wound up here", because I saw a post that I wanted to respond to.

I have done so and responded in the best way I could to all the all the questions and respondent posts, never had my personal basic questions coherently ( to me) answered. No matter, I am returning to other area;'s

 

[PsychoSarah]

You are a seeker, that says much about your intellectual maturity. Before you seek outwardly, in my opinion, you must identify in your mind why the atheist position is unsettling to you and doesn't satisfy your need for wholeness.

Oh, fear of death is the reason. I've been aware of why I want to believe for quite some time.

Then you should turn outwardly looking for that which is true, logical, answers the fundamental questions of philosophy to your satisfaction, answers your personal questions, and strongly resonates with your spiritual nature. None of this is easy, it is work.

Philosophy says nothing about whether or not an afterlife exists, and even scientific inquiries on the matter have only come up with no strong evidence for the positive. But alas, you have to die to really know, which is unfortunate.

For me Christianity was the obvious truth, and answered every question and need.

How does Christianity answer "how do I fix a leaky water pipe?" XD it's a book with a finite number of pages, it can't literally answer every question. There are lots of modern situations that it doesn't apply to, by virtue of technological differences between now and the times in which the texts were written.

Others find their truth elsewhere.

I wish you only the best in your search, don;'t give up.

No point in giving up.

 

[pitabread]

Oh, fear of death is the reason.

What helped me getting over fear of death was simply equating it to the time before I was born. I've already not existed once, so why worry about not existing again?

 

[Speedwell]

What helped me getting over fear of death was simply equating it to the time before I was born. I've already not existed once, so why worry about not existing again?

And if there's nothing after death, you won't know it anyway.

 

[Aman777]

Nor does it "give" "intelligence".

Maybe you should read up on the subject.

That's because Nature is stupid and has no intelligence to give. Trying to convert me to an Evol again, is hopeless, since I am a converted Evol.

I can't change it into anything.

Again, you should read up on these things you are talking about, because you misrepresent them at every possible turn.

False, since I post of the agreement of Scripture science and history while you are peddling a half-truth, a changeable scientific Theory, while sitting in judgment of me. Amen?

 

[PsychoSarah]

What helped me getting over fear of death was simply equating it to the time before I was born. I've already not existed once, so why worry about not existing again?

Doesn't work that way for me, because before I existed, there was nothing to die and nothing to be lost. Only after experiencing existence is there something to lose in the cessation of that existence.

I also don't liken death to sleep, because sleep isn't a state of not existing, you just don't store much in the way of memories of it. It's also temporary.

 

[PsychoSarah]

And if there's nothing after death, you won't know it anyway.

Just as much as some people claim to witness seeing heaven, hell, dead relatives, etc. during near death experiences, there are an unlucky minority that experience "the void". A sensation of themselves falling apart and ceasing to be. It is entirely possible for the last, confused and dying responses of one's neurons to give them a very unpleasant final experience.

Statements like yours are in no way comforting.

 

[Clint Edwards]

Oh, fear of death is the reason. I've been aware of why I want to believe for quite some time.


Philosophy says nothing about whether or not an afterlife exists, and even scientific inquiries on the matter have only come up with no strong evidence for the positive. But alas, you have to die to really know, which is unfortunate.


How does Christianity answer "how do I fix a leaky water pipe?" XD it's a book with a finite number of pages, it can't literally answer every question. There are lots of modern situations that it doesn't apply to, by virtue of technological differences between now and the times in which the texts were written.


No point in giving up.

I of course, meant philosophical questions.

Why do you fear death ? Aristotle said that if you die and go into oblivion, there is nothing to fear because you are oblivious. If on the other hand, there is an afterlife, there is nothing to fear because you live forever, nothing to fear there. Perhaps you fear an afterlife where Aristotle was wrong about nothing to fear ?

I once had a what I call a near, NDE, It may have been caused by totally physiological changes, nevertheless it changed my perspective about death.

I literally came within a breath or two of dying, and I knew it. As the trauma team worked feverishly around me, I had not one ounce of fear, in fact, I was quite comfortable, and almost happy. I was totally prepared to go with no regrets, no concern, no worries. I knew, not believed, knew, that as a Christian I/me was going to be fine, whatever happened.

Some will scoff, thatś fine. When my time does come to fall off the perch, going out the way I almost did is just fine with me.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I of course, meant philosophical questions.

Why do you fear death ? Aristotle said that if you die and go into oblivion, there is nothing to fear because you are oblivious. If on the other hand, there is an afterlife, there is nothing to fear because you live forever, nothing to fear there. Perhaps you fear an afterlife where Aristotle was wrong about nothing to fear ?

Negatory, I fear the cessation of existence itself. I currently exist, so while I am alive, there is a mind present to fear the possible complete end of itself. The end of existence is a scary prospect to a person currently existing. The fact that if I were to cease to exist, I would also cease to have any emotion, fear included, doesn't in any way shape or form prevent me from feeling fear about the prospect of such a change in state.

Consider a disease like Alzheimer's, in which a person is slowly robbed of their memories, personality, and eventually robbed of their ability to really experience anything, followed by death.

From my perspective, death takes just as much away, it is just more direct. I cannot understand people that do not comprehend why a person can fear the end of existence. There is no hell comparable to it, for there is no you to burn, no you to feel, it is all deleted. It isn't even you being surrounded by darkness with nothing to interact with, for there is nothing to be surrounded, no mind left to experience anything, be it terrible or wonderful.

Besides, why would I fear an afterlife when I don't even believe in it? That's like being afraid of pixies.

I once had a what I call a near, NDE, It may have been caused by totally physiological changes, nevertheless it changed my perspective about death.

I literally came within a breath or two of dying, and I knew it. As the trauma team worked feverishly around me, I had not one ounce of fear, in fact, I was quite comfortable, and almost happy. I was totally prepared to go with no regrets, no concern, no worries. I knew, not believed, knew, that as a Christian I/me was going to be fine, whatever happened.

Feeling a sense of peace is considered to be the normal response to dying, regardless of faith or creed. Some people think it is the brain's coping mechanism for its demise.

Some will scoff, thatś fine. When my time does come to fall off the perch, going out the way I almost did is just fine with me.

At no point during near death experiences is a person actually dead. No one has ever come back from the total cessation of brain activity, so no one actually knows what it is like to be dead.

-_- plus, there are people that have the deviant responses to being near death where they perceive themselves as fading away. It's not even more common in atheists, that's just something people experience upon approaching death if they are unlucky.

 

[Non sequitur]

That's because Nature is stupid and has no intelligence to give. Trying to convert me to an Evol again, is hopeless, since I am a converted Evol.

False, since I post of the agreement of Scripture science and history while you are peddling a half-truth, a changeable scientific Theory, while sitting in judgment of me. Amen?

Hahahahaha. You said science...

Yes, I am judging you for misrepresenting evolution. Amen.

 

[Astrophile]

Of course, your statement is surely debatable. If you understand little cosmology, then you understand that galaxies in relation to one another are not homogeneous in distribution through the universe, you also would know that galaxies, and there are different types, have stars in different locations, for instance the earth is in a stellar arm from the center of the galaxy, which is probably a massive black hole.

Thank-you. I do know something about cosmology; I know that galaxies are not distributed homogeneously, and I know about the different types of galaxies and the different stellar population. In fact, the solar system is in a spur from the Carina-Sagittarius spiral arm of the Galaxy, not in one of the main spiral arms; also the Carina-Sagittarius spiral arm probably springs from a central bar, about 16,000 light-years long, rather than from the Galactic centre.

The location of the earth, i.e. our solar system, is in a more advantageous position for the survival of life than millions and millions of stars located in a different position. You say it is by chance based upon existing physical laws, I can't prove you wrong, can you prove me wrong ?

PsychoSarah, in post 212, has already pointed out the error in this argument.

Only for the survival of the life that developed here. For all we know, we exist on the fringes of the conditions that allow life to form.

Still, I can add something to what PsychoSarah has said. First, during the last 400-odd years astronomers have made a number of statements about the universe:
The Earth is at the centre of the universe, and everything else revolves around it;
The Sun is at the centre of the Galaxy;
Our Galaxy constitutes the whole of the universe;
There are other galaxies, but our Galaxy is the largest in existence;
The Sun is probably the only star that has planets.

The location of the earth, i.e. our solar system, is in a more advantageous position for the survival of life than millions and millions of stars located in a different position.

The first five statements have been proved false. How long do you think that the sixth one will last before it is also disproved?

Second, the radius of the solar system, out to the outer edge of the Oort Cloud, is about one parsec. The radius of the Galaxy is about 15,000 parsecs. Thus the volume of the Galaxy is about 3-4 billion times the volume of the solar system. Do you really think that such a tiny volume would be uniquely favoured for the survival, and for the origin and evolution, of life? Can you provide evidence for this assertion?

 

[DogmaHunter]

False since I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture science and history

No, you aren't.
What you do is ad hoc rationalization by re-inventing the scriptures and re-interpreting them. And even adding to them at times - like "Eden was on another planet" and stuff, lol

Anything less is a half/truth like the ToE and no Evol has ever refuted me (proven me wrong) including yourself. Want to try again?

What is asserted without evidence, can be dissmissed without evidence.
And your science fiction-ish interpretation of your bible, is asserted without evidence.

Support your own nonsense. Live upto your burden of proof.
Don't ask me to do your homework.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Thank you, I have avoided mentioning the evolution of the universe as part of the theory, because, Like Sherman made Georgia howl, a great crescendo assigning me to the great wood chipper in the sky would horribly arise. Those who don't know the true scope of their theory would verbally pound me to pieces even more, as an ignorant bumpkin. I didn't have the stomach for it.

No matter in how many turns you twist yourself... Evolution theory, is a theory from the field of biology to explain the diversity of living things. It has exactly zero to do with astronomy, quantum mechanics, cosmology, etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

No matter in how many turns you twist yourself... Evolution theory, is a theory from the field of biology to explain the diversity of living things. It has exactly zero to do with astronomy, quantum mechanics, cosmology, etc.

Harvard disagrees.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I like the "look around you" one.

Christian holidays, hymns, literature, iconography, churches, songs, carols, martyrs, witnesses, testimonials, debates, plays, and whatnot all serve as cause-and-effect evidence for God.

All of which exists in other relgiions one way or the other as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

All of which exists in other relgiions one way or the other as well.

Like a virus?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Harvard disagrees.

It does not.

You can now share your link where they use the word "evolution" to talk about "the evolution of the universe" and pretend that they are talking about evolution theory from the biological sciences.