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Why do creationists redefine and/or make up words out-of-context?

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So basically, you want elementary school kids being educated in what currently are courses like advanced genetic doctorates at universities?

No, but kids should start mastering the courses needed to eventually understand the ToE at an early age. They'll need to understand those equations that explain a single evolutionary change (of the million that must occur) that often fill a large blackboard. Of course they will also have to learn the other 999,999 equations as well. o_O

Edit: Ok, wait a minute. I just discovered that evolution is unable to use mathematics in it's theory. I should have guessed this when I ask what the "odds" were that evolutionary changes actually occur, and got the runaround.

The equations of evolution
 
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and rain created life. It's all good.


If this were a specific theological discussion with someone TRULY interested in exploring Christianity, it would be different.
No doubt. The theory of evolution wouldn't come into it at all.
 
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Sounds like you’re suggesting god only exists in your mind.

Otherwise special pleading.

What is mind ? There is no mind in materialism rock is no different than a dog both made out of atoms and thier atoms were all evolved from hydrogen right .
Do you suggest that you have mind ? Outside of your world view .
 
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This is special pleading. You can’t have it both ways.

As for CF, I joined in ‘04, when I was a Christian.
Apparently you are no longer a Christian, so what is your motivation to linger ?

No, it is not a "special pleading", It is a logical observation based upon the laws of physics.
 
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That's good enough evidence for me to understand that physicists etc know what they are talking about.

But what they're talking about doesn't make sense to me. o_O
 
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Another one that gets redefined is "religion." Rather than using a dictionary definition of a belief system in the supernatural, or even the biblical usage which is taking care of widows and orphans; they come up with a meaning that it is a man made set of rules to get to God. (or some variant of that) Anything to make them "not religious."

It always used to surprise me how much the word religion gets misused on these forums.

The strangest one is where certain branches of science are labeled "religion" and "faith based" etc in an attempt to deride. It just seems insulting to the beliefs of those on both sides of these debates.
 
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It always used to surprise me how much the word religion gets misused on these forums.

The strangest one is where certain branches of science are labeled "religion" and "faith based" etc in an attempt to deride. It just seems insulting to the beliefs of those on both sides of these debates.
Perhaps. Do you not see some faith being exercised in science as it is in theology ?
 
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What is mind ? There is no mind in materialism rock is no different than a dog both made out of atoms and thier atoms were all evolved from hydrogen right .
Do you suggest that you have mind ? Outside of your world view .
Oh good grief.

Have a nice day.
 
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Not even close.
Really ? The big bang is predicated on a singularity, a singularity that cannot be defined or be "seen" by the principles of physics because, physics breaks down at about one unit in Planck time in retrograde.

Belief in the singularity is purely by faith.

There are those who accept the idea of Brane multi universe, with absolutely no data, it's called faith.

Abiogenesis is a belief based upon faith.

There are many other examples.

Because someone says that exercising faith is not part of the thinking processes doesn't make it true.
 
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Really ? The big bang is predicated on a singularity, a singularity that cannot be defined or be "seen" by the principles of physics because, physics breaks down at about one unit in Planck time in retrograde.

Belief in the singularity is purely by faith.
It would be. But most people don't "believe" in it, they just accept it provisionally as a reasonable hypothesis.
 
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Really ? The big bang is predicated on a singularity, a singularity that cannot be defined or be "seen" by the principles of physics because, physics breaks down at about one unit in Planck time in retrograde.

Belief in the singularity is purely by faith.

There are those who accept the idea of Brane multi universe, with absolutely no data, it's called faith.

Abiogenesis is a belief based upon faith.

There are many other examples.

Because someone says that exercising faith is not part of the thinking processes doesn't make it true.
The BBT is the best explanation we have that best explains how the universe began. If a better theory were to take it's place, then I'd accept that one. I have no skin in this game, and my acceptance or rejection is not based on an unchanging dogma, hence not a religious faith at all.

As a Christian, you have to accept the G1/2 account (however you choose to interpret it), and have to somehow squeeze all known data into the creation account to square that circle. Which is why anything you need to say about ID/creo is extraneous and an ad hoc attempt only necessary for your world view, not mine. You're free to believe what you need to.
 
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The BBT is the best explanation we have that best explains how the universe began. If a better theory were to take it's place, then I'd accept that one. I have no skin in this game, and my acceptance or rejection is not based on an unchanging dogma, hence not a religious faith at all.

As a Christian, you have to accept the G1/2 account (however you choose to interpret it), and have to somehow squeeze all known data into the creation account to square that circle. Which is why anything you need to say about ID/creo is extraneous and an ad hoc attempt only necessary for your world view, not mine. You're free to believe what you need to.

:idea1: Big bang is in the Bible did you know that ?
 
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Basically because of the political angle. Too many of your coreligionists want creationism taught in place of science in the public schools, along with sectarian prayer and Bible study. Too many of you want pride of place among the denominations of Christianity and other religions in the public sphere in other ways as well.

Let me draw you a parallel: Seventh-Day Adventists don't eat meat. They think the Bible tells them not to. And you know what? Nobody else cares. Certainly there are not many forums like this where Seventh-Day Adventists argue with atheists about vegetarianism.

But what do you suppose would happen if they started agitating to have meat dishes removed from public school cafeterias, and Seventh-Day Adventist inspired prayed and Bible study installed in the curriculum? Don't you think they would start to feel some serious heat about it?
A small correction,since I was ordained in the SDA church many years ago, but left that church many years ago as well, they do not believe vegetarianism is prescribed in the Bible, the idea came from their prophet. Nor do they demand it as a test of faith, half of them eat meat. Nobody cares, and neither do I.

I still do not know what your purposes is, unless, as you say, from the political angle, you want to subvert Christian belief.

If I were a big supporter of prayer in public schools, what you might have to say about it is irrelevant, and will not make one whit of difference to me, unless we are discussing the Constitution, an area where I am professionally qualified to comment

I spent years in the so called "religious forums" a very raucous place indeed. It is quite confrontational, and the new atheists there aren't concerned about politics, they continually crash Christian discussions to jeer, belittle and demean, that is their modus operandi.

In an online forum format I do not trust any new atheist to have any other motive.

Sorry, but that is my experience with very many of you over the years.

I came to the CHRISTIAN FORUM to escape that, but you are here too.

So, since theology ( the study of God) holds no interest for you, and I see very few political discussions, if any, about imposing by law Christianity on others, I will continue to be wary of your motives, and wonder why you are here.

Make no mistake, I am happy to engage you on any issue, but I will strongly react to YOU statements. They almost always in this format are a form of personal attack and uncalled for.
 
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The BBT is the best explanation we have that best explains how the universe began. If a better theory were to take it's place, then I'd accept that one. I have no skin in this game, and my acceptance or rejection is not based on an unchanging dogma, hence not a religious faith at all.

As a Christian, you have to accept the G1/2 account (however you choose to interpret it), and have to somehow squeeze all known data into the creation account to square that circle. Which is why anything you need to say about ID/creo is extraneous and an ad hoc attempt only necessary for your world view, not mine. You're free to believe what you need to.

A person's "world view" is revealed by their actions and behavior. Some 'view' a beautiful country road as a good place to dump their trash.
 
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A person's "world view" is revealed by their actions and behavior. Some 'view' a beautiful country road as a good place to dump their trash.
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The BBT is the best explanation we have that best explains how the universe began. If a better theory were to take it's place, then I'd accept that one. I have no skin in this game, and my acceptance or rejection is not based on an unchanging dogma, hence not a religious faith at all.

As a Christian, you have to accept the G1/2 account (however you choose to interpret it), and have to somehow squeeze all known data into the creation account to square that circle. Which is why anything you need to say about ID/creo is extraneous and an ad hoc attempt only necessary for your world view, not mine. You're free to believe what you need to.
Sorry, but you don't determine what I have to believe.

There are many Christians who view Genesis 1 and related verses as purely allegorical

Their are old earth creationists who do not accept it as written.

I think you are finding dogma when it isn't there.

Anything you have to say about the alleged singularity is ad hoc and and an attempt to deny that science sometimes operates on faith too.

Your faith in unproven scientific concepts is necessary for your world view, not mine.

You are free as well to believe what fulfills your need.
 
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