Why do churches give into CCM

[FiRePrOoF_bUnNy]

Does everyone have nothing better to do than complain and debate about this? THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN DONE!!!
The first thing everyone says is 'i dont like...' you dont like it? thats your problem! Someones always going to not like the way a song is...i like both hymns and modern music, but i dont complain when a song im not fussed on gets played at church!!! Its not about your musical tastes, how you think music should be, or who you think you want to please...because the music isnt for your benifit!! It's for God!! So many people forget that, and get too focused on the music, and as one who both plays in church, and stands in the congregation, i feel the difference!! Sometimes when i play im so worried about how the musics gonna sound...that i forget that this is a song for God! It doesnt matter how it sounds...its for GOD!!! not you to fuel your perpetual complaining!!!!
''when the music fades all is stripped away
and i simply come..
longing just to bring something thats of worth,
that will bless your heart...

IL BRING YOU MORE THAN A SONG
for a song in itself is not what you have required
you search much deeper within through the way things appear
your looking into my heart!!!

im coming back to the heart of worship
and its all about you
all about you Jesus
IM SORRY LORD FOR THE THING IVE MADE IT
AND ITS ALL ABOUT YOU, ALL ABOUT YOU JESUS !!! (tim hughes, heart of worship)

what is on your heart? whos your worship for? worship and praise...lets take those 2 words shall we...
worship- 1(an act of) reverence to a divine being or supernatural power 2 extravagant admiration for or devoted to an object of esteem 3 to regard with great, even extravagant respect, honour, or devotion.
praise - 1 to express a favourable judgement of; commend 2 to glorify or extol (God or a God)

No-where in that does it mention what instruments to use!!! And worship isnt just music!! its a way of living, you should worship God in everything you do whether its washing the car, walking down the road, or in work/college or school !!! So why not instead if posting and arguing when no1 can possible 'win' why dont you go and worship God? or go and pray!!!

 

[Hockley]

Fireproof bunny,

I like it.

 

[Soulwings]

I've seen first hand how my church is tolerating more and more CCM songs in the worship service. Even the Vacation Bible Schools that our kids go to are introducing more rock songs in their programs. I sometimes see posters of supposedly Christian bands and most of their faces are angry. I look at them and I ask myself: do I want my children to grow up and be like these guys and the answer is an emphatic NO.
I keep wondering why they (CCM) have so much appeal to our youth and young adults?

There is no harm in CCM or any type of rock music ... the youth are your future, well, more like the future of the church. If gospel (and old church tradition, which many people seem to be against changing at all, even for the better) is turning them away from the churches, then the way I look at it, the old hymns etc. are doing more harm than good. Yes, there are those out there who don't appreciate it ... thus the reason for either incorporating both old hymns and contemporary music into a service, or holding separate services (if the church is large enough). I know, as a young adult, that I'm not especially interested in attending a church that is a stickler for tradition, gospel, and refuses to look out of their shell.

I sometimes see posters of supposedly Christian bands and most of their faces are angry.

Are you insinuating that by simply looking angry their music cannot glorify God? Perhaps it may not attract some people to the music, but teens and young people, perhaps ones who have not tried Christian music before, will be drawn to the music because they feel that the band members can empathise with what they've been through. Even as Christians, we don't always have the "joy joy joy down in our hearts" ... but even in those times we can still lift God up.

As a young adult, I can say that the appeal of CCM to me is ... well, I've heard the old hymns all my life, literally, and (no offense) after years of singing them and playing them they all begin to sound the same. There seems to be no (well, not a lot) of variation in how the songwriter(s) praise God ... and the world is changing ... I know that's an awfully "fuzzy" answer to give you ... *thinks on the question* I'll reply more later once I think about it.

/me retreats to watch her post being ripped apart

 

[Ave Maria]

What's wrong with Christian Contemporary Music? I listen to it all the time at home. Of course, Catholic Churches never play it during worship service. We play traditional hymns.

 

[Rich48]

The problem I see with "church" music is that many criticize what others choose to use in worship. IF you are not comfortable using ccm, praise and worship, etc, and prefer to use only traditional hymns, fine! But don't come down on others that choose to use more contemporary music.

And to those who prefer the contemporary music, do not yell, scream out those who have chosen not to use it!

Rich

 

[Hockley]

Rich,

Yeah! Let there be grace. I do believe my God is big enough to look at my heart regardless of whatever noise I wholeheartedly, lovingly, praisingly offer. Make a joyful noise....!!!

 

[Hockley]

Soulwings...

You speak of angry faces... I remember when my wife was a new Christian and she asked me why do the older people in the kitchen working on a fellowship lunch looked so sour. I pray that I may continue to find joy in whatever task the Lord places on my plate and I pray the joy that I have may may be contagious.

 

[foo-oswald]

I've seen first hand how my church is tolerating more and more CCM songs in the worship service. Even the Vacation Bible Schools that our kids go to are introducing more rock songs in their programs. I sometimes see posters of supposedly Christian bands and most of their faces are angry. I look at them and I ask myself: do I want my children to grow up and be like these guys and the answer is an emphatic NO.
I keep wondering why they (CCM) have so much appeal to our youth and young adults?

You've gotta be kidding me, right? If you'll peruse the history of the church, you'll discover that people were not singing "Leaning On The Everlasting Arms" or "Blessed Be The Name" back in the 1st Century Church. Nor the 11th Century Church. Just because we grow up singing certain hymns to a certain arrangement doesn't mean that this is the way it's been since time began, and changes are only happening now. This is a cycle that's been repeated again-and-again for centuries.

The fact is that music styles change. It is not the message that is changing, but the method of delivering the message that is changing. Singing hymns that were written 200, 400, or even 1000 years ago can be a wonderful thing, but singing these hymns as they were arranged in the late 1800's and early 1900's is generally nauseating to us Gen-Xers.

That's why modern worship leaders such as David Crowder and Matt Redman are gaining such popularity...

 

[Hockley]

Peter Mann,

I find the word "tolerating" (more and more CCM) way harsh. Don't you think there is any value in CCM?

 

[Soulwings]

Soulwings...

You speak of angry faces... I remember when my wife was a new Christian and she asked me why do the older people in the kitchen working on a fellowship lunch looked so sour. I pray that I may continue to find joy in whatever task the Lord places on my plate and I pray the joy that I have may may be contagious.

Indeed a wonderful goal to strive for.

I was only saying that although the bands may look angry or depressed or what have you on the posters, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are incapable of producing good, solid Christian music.

 

[jbgordon]

When I made the comment about enjoying worshiping God, by no means did I mean that I have to enjoy the musical style to worship. My father is a music minister and I have grown up in church. I have seen all sides of this argument, and frankly, Im tired of it. The point I was attempting to make, but admittedly did not word well, is that I dont believe that I am truly worshiping God, and He knows this, if I cant make the worship personal. As much as I love hymns, their 4 voice harmony and structure are not for everyone. I'm a vocal music education major and I absolutely love to sing in choirs and so forth, but for a lot of my generation, we dont understand the music. I hope that makes sense.

 

[shotgun]

What alot of younger generations don't understand is proper worship practices, or for that matter proper Biblical doctrine.

 

[foo-oswald]

What alot of younger generations don't understand is proper worship practices, or for that matter proper Biblical doctrine.

How young would one have to be to be considered a member of a "younger generation"?

And, what would you consider "proper worship practices"?

 

[Rich48]

How young would one have to be to be considered a member of a "younger generation"?

And, what would you consider "proper worship practices"?

Excellent question!

2Sa 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.


Seems to me that David was both praising and worshipping-and not to a solemn hymn!


Rich

http://home.earthlink.net/~uturnada/songs/lyrics_170.htm

 

[Blank123]

to be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less what style of music the service has as long as it presents sound doctrine that is actually worshipful to the Lord.

 

[shotgun]

The verse from 2Samuel is often quoted out of context by advocates of this new worship movement to try and justify dancing in the church.

King David had just won a mighty victory against the phillistines. He was doing a victory dance on his way back into the city of David.

This was similar to the way a football player may dance after making a touchdown, and in no way can compare to what goes on in our churches today.

 

[foo-oswald]

The verse from 2Samuel is often quoted out of context by advocates of this new worship movement to try and justify dancing in the church.

King David had just won a mighty victory against the phillistines. He was doing a victory dance on his way back into the city of David.

This was similar to the way a football player may dance after making a touchdown, and in no way can compare to what goes on in our churches today.

Once again, you make an ambiguous statement, this time about a "new worship movement". I can't help but feel that you are highy suspicious of said movement.

So, if you would, please answer my questions posed in my response to your prior post about "younger generations" and "proper worship practices".

Please don't tell me you think "proper worship practices" include what goes on in most Baptist churches today: Congregations mumbling all 5 stanzas of "Leaning On The Everlasting Arms", then dozing off during the 45-minute sermon.

Or would you consider "proper worship practices" to be what goes on in most Pentecostal churches today? Congregations running about, fainting, speaking in tongues?

Or, would you consider "proper worship practices" to be some variation of the two mentioned above? Personally, I don't care for either one. So, please explain to everyone what you mean by "proper worship practices".

 

[Blank123]

The verse from 2Samuel is often quoted out of context by advocates of this new worship movement to try and justify dancing in the church.

King David had just won a mighty victory against the phillistines. He was doing a victory dance on his way back into the city of David.

This was similar to the way a football player may dance after making a touchdown, and in no way can compare to what goes on in our churches today.

er.. it was still an act of worship was it not?


I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your stance on dance as worship, but I think you're going to have to back this up Biblically. Show us exactly how this was a victory dance rather than worship to God.

 

[Rich48]

to be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less what style of music the service has as long as it presents sound doctrine that is actually worshipful to the Lord.

 

[Rich48]

The verse from 2Samuel is often quoted out of context by advocates of this new worship movement to try and justify dancing in the church.

King David had just won a mighty victory against the phillistines. He was doing a victory dance on his way back into the city of David.

This was similar to the way a football player may dance after making a touchdown, and in no way can compare to what goes on in our churches today.

Sorry, but the verse is NOT out of context. So, he was celebrating a victory, but his celebration was before the Lord. Worship and celebration is not limited to the confines of a church building, and if it is wrong inside, then it is wrong outside.

Please-you have been asked a couple of times-what do you personally consider "proper worship"?

Rich