Why Do Christians Want Creationism Taught In Public Schools?

[Mechanical Bliss]

Another question is
Why do evolutionists not want creationism taught in schools?

Scientists do not want creationism taught in schools as valid science because it's not. Creationism was disproved in the 19th century. It would be like teaching geocentricity as a valid alternate to our modern understanding of the Solar System.

Additionally, it would surprise you to know that young earth creationism is taught in some schools--as false, of course. Students are often taught about the history of a particular science when they take a basic class in that subject. They learn that Bishop Ussher added Biblical genaeologies to date the earth at 6000 years, and they learn that early geologists thought that Noachian Deluge of the Bible was responsible for the sedimentary rock record. Of course, students then learn that those same Christian geologists were the very same ones to disprove young earth creationism. Science progresses. Creationism has already been left in the dust--that's why it's not taught as valid.

I think the reason is that if it was taught it would make people realise how flawed the theory of evolution is.

I have seen only very few creationists who even know what evolution is in the first place but none identify any flaws in evolutionary biology.

The problem is you act like it's some sort of conspiracy. You act as if scientists know there is zero evidence for evolution but accept it anyway and are out to get you. You act as if this is a part of science where scientists aren't actually trying to describe the evidence. Well, you're wrong.

 

[tqpix]

The problem is you act like it's some sort of conspiracy. You act as if scientists know there is zero evidence for evolution but accept it anyway and are out to get you. You act as if this is a part of science where scientists aren't actually trying to describe the evidence. Well, you're wrong.

How do you know that you're not wrong?

 

[Randall McNally]

How do you know that you're not wrong?

Because science is structured in such a way that it is impossible to sustain a conspiracy.

 

[ErnestoChe]

Because as soon as Creationism is taught in schools theyve reached their lines of indoctrination into what is supposed to be a secular public school system.

 

[SallyNow]

Why should we remove all religious symbolisms at Christmas and replace them with Santa and the reindeer, after all, it's CHRIST-mas.

because you guys arent the only ones celebrating a holiday this season

Um...so Jewish people should not be able to have Menorah's or "Happy Hanukkah"? No, of course not. Christmas is Christian; let it be so. Let Christians celebrate Christmas as Christmas; let everyone celebrate their own religionous holiday. Don't take the Christ out of Christmas and only talk about Present Day, don't take the meaning out of Hanukkah and only talk about the Eight Night of fun.

(I actually feel really bad even mentioning that Hanukkah could be turned into just eight nights of fun...too bad those who want a secular Christmas do not feel the same)

Let everyone celebrate what they want, and don't expect or legislate that any one group take the religous meaning out of their celebrations.

[QUOTE=Lillithspeak]Well,when you go to muslim countries and hand out bibles when it's forbidden by law, then you are going to have some problems. [/QUOTE]
So...book-banning is okay? It's okay to ban freedom of speech if it is a Christian who wants to talk?

Many recognize it as XMAS and have disassociated Christ with the holiday.

Okay, you take Gift Day, which happens to be celebrated on the 25th of December, and do it. I don't care; even use the same themes. But let those who celebrate Christmas celebrate it; don't take our meaning out of our holiday because you don't like what the meaning represents.

 

[amonk]

Santa Clause was invented by Coke and Guess which people own Coke ?

Yes indeed Evil .

btw points have already been proven that creationism is useless garbage , yet people are still digging through scraps and still rambling like old homeless idiots .

 

[psalms 91]

why do you want to fix something that wasnt broke. i am tired of being attacked as a christian and my beliefs and values attacked since i supposedly live in a christian country. if you have read my posts i do not attack other beliefs nor do i get nasty. i respect being able to practice ones own beliefs and to share with each other

 

[psalms 91]

by the way if creationism is garbage why did darwin himself refute evolution just before he died and where is the missing link

 

[Im_A]

Why do Christians want creationism taught in public schools? Or "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Or, "In God We Trust" on currency? What purpose do the above serve? How do the above benefit the country?

well with Creationism, i think it is obvious why. do you know any non-Christians who believe in Creationism? haha. i know i don't. my opinion, both should be taught in schools to give kids the choice to believe what they want to believe. i think students should be taught how to investigate scientific theories and then be shown what is all out there and let the kids desicide. truly teach them how to critically examine everything.

with the pledge of allegiance and the currency well i don't see the point in having that in it to some degree either. i dont' believe this nation is Christian. the job of the government is to rule and keep order not to promote a specific religion. i say, let the people desicde what they want, and then a leader that suits them will be elected, and then they will have to suffer the consequcnes whether good or bad. take this election. this election was almost equally divided with maybe what a small percentage putting Bush as the winner? and so many Christians say America is on a moral decline for the majority, and look who got voted in? (yes i'm not ashamed to say i'm a Christian who voted for Kerry , but i'm not a Bush hater. people just need to think before they say something like that )
plus the governmental policies are not stable enough in America to call it a Christian nation. we have elections every 4 years, and no president now can serve a term longer than 2 terms. so we can get any type of leader at any time which makes no sense either, because the big stuff that presidents have to deal with, seem to take more than 4 years to fix. go figure right? different policies coming in and out, based maybe on religion or not. nothing too stable. so how can a Christian president truly get a homebase in Americain politics? there will be a time, when the extreme conservative won't have a voice anymore. the left-wing liberals will get their chance to shine, and ya know, maybe things won't be that bad. and then that will end, and extreme conservatives will get their chance to shine again and then the liberals will.

so with this in mind why should we have things in the pledge of allegiance or things on the currency? i don't see a big reason to take it off, but i dont' see the huge need for it. let our lives as a Christian be a pledge of allegiance to God no matter if we are conservative or liberal. The Bible is enough pen and paper to pledge our allegance too. plus, i have a big problem with religious patriotism and that's all i see the things on the currency or the pledge of allegiance. plus am i the only one that sees that as kind of idolatry? "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of the republic" and the pledge to God is at the end? hmm, makes me wonder.

 

[amonk]

Bill ,
My advice don't get yourself into Creationist / Evolutionist debate , us evolutionists are also getting the same **** from creationists , so I'm also tired of getting hassled of my ways from the fact that I'm a 'non-believer' ..

Tattes ,

i think students should be taught how to investigate scientific theories and then be shown what is all out there

'All that is out there' has yet to be explored ,science is not a closed subject such as religion and it is actually very much opened to those who are curious in nature about the world and our universe ..

dont' believe this nation is Christian

Your nation is very much Christian because that is the majority count .

 

[psalms 91]

amonk i agree that science is not yet done and there has been some scientific finds that support the bible. i am also curious as to whether you have ever looked at genisis verse one and two and considered a gap of time between the two which would allow for the bible and carbon dating to agree

 

[Im_A]

Bill ,
My advice don't get yourself into Creationist / Evolutionist debate , us evolutionists are also getting the same **** from creationists , so I'm also tired of getting hassled of my ways from the fact that I'm a 'non-believer' ..

Tattes ,


'All that is out there' has yet to be explored ,science is not a closed subject such as religion and it is actually very much opened to those who are curious in nature about the world and our universe ..


Your nation is very much Christian because that is the majority count .

well your statement on all that is out there is yet to be explored is just logical. things do progress. so my statement was to teach all that we can teach that is out there NOW.

yes i know that the census of people say they are Christian for the majority. and i'm not going to judge anyone's faith. it's not my place to judge them.

but i'll be honest, i have a hard time believe this nation is a Christian nation. it is Christian in the sense of many self-claimed Christians occupy space here, but something inside of me isn't convinced that America is truly a Christian nation. and please, dont' think i'm trying to judge people, but still there's a sense that it is hard for me to truly believe it. and i'm not saying i'm perfect by any means, because i'm far from it, but still can't get over a guy feeling in me. it doesn't matter if i'm right or wrong, because i believe God will judge this nation equally as any other nation.

so if anything, i believe a lot of self-proclaimed Christians occupy the land that is considered Northern America. i can't rightly say it is a Christian nation or not based on a census, just because i don't know everyone in America personally. that is between them and God. but with the government is where i highly doubt it at. and too many times America is judged by our government, not us people that actually reside in the nation. so that's why i said my statement. God Bless you! <><

 

[psalms 91]

i agree with you that this nation has drifted away from its christian roots and many that call themselves christian do not live by it but that is exactly my point, i believe that is why we are having troubles, i believe that there is worse to come unless we repent as a nation, i also believe that our present state is why we as a nation dont figure into end time prophecy to any great degree. i believe everyone has a right to believe and worship as they choose but i do not believe that coming to this nation knowing what we stand for that anyone has the right to force changes of the sort that the courts have directed on us

 

[Arikay]

Coke didn't invent Santa Claus, only the current image of him.

Darwin did not refute evolution on his death bed, that is a myth. Even if he did, we have had 100 years worth of evidence that proves his refutation wrong.

I thought our nation stood for freedom for all, I guess it only stands for freedom if you are a christian.

 

[psalms 91]

freedom yes, not dictating through liberal courts. we have always been free to worship, vote, etc. what are you going to do when this very fabric is ripped apart by the changes that are being made.

 

[psalms 91]

i will not debate darwin although i believe it is true but another question for the evolutionists, where is the missing link.

 

[Arikay]

Exactly how is the very fabric being torn?


Yes, it is a myth,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hope.html
And again, it doesn't matter anyways.

If you go to the creation & evolution forum, you might get that question answered I believe there is even a recent thread about fossils. Research can help learning as well, such as this nice bit of information about hominid fossils,
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html

i will not debate darwin although i believe it is true but another question for the evolutionists, where is the missing link.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

by the way if creationism is garbage why did darwin himself refute evolution just before he died and where is the missing link

Because he didn't. The story of a deathbed rejection of evolution was a lie of Lady Hope who claimed to witness it. However, she never visited Darwin at his deathbed or possibly ever.

 

[psalms 91]

can you look at life in the 50's and early 60's and not say it was a more moral nation. can you nor say that it was better as a country. there are reasons for this and they are many but some are the degrading of what is taught, the decline in churchs (by the way i think that is the churchs fault), tasking god out of everything public, and a degradation of what we the people will elect and put up with

 

[Arikay]

Yes I can look at life in the 50's and early 60's and say it was not a more moral nation.
•Witch hunts of the McCarthy era red scare.
•Lack of womens rights
•Segregation
•lack of civil rights for "colored" people.
That is only the surface, Some may consider this more moral, I do not.

How exactly is the removal of God, hurting our morality? When the word God was more prominent, it didn't seem to prevent immoral action.
I would say this is a general case of nostalgia, and lack of information.

can you look at life in the 50's and early 60's and not say it was a more moral nation. can you nor say that it was better as a country. there are reasons for this and they are many but some are the degrading of what is taught, the decline in churchs (by the way i think that is the churchs fault), tasking god out of everything public, and a degradation of what we the people will elect and put up with