again...what did I say? Read the whole post...these are things that are not easy to imitate...the example I gave is that of peace, but I can show you the same thing with the other things that are marks of a true believer. It is important to discussion for you to read the entire post and respond according to the claims made rather than misrepresent what is said and try to pretend it wasn't said.
You don't appear to be following the conversation. I asked Scott how he is able to distinguish those who "know the truth" and have been "there" from those who are "following blindly," given that both groups of people often appear equally devout and sincere in their theological commitments. He said he knows by how they "describe their knowledge of things in a way that only those who have been in the presence of God would say." But I specified that both Fred and Bob satisfy this condition, so this cannot be used to distinguish them. You interjected somewhere at this point, apparently unaware of what I was asking.
Who said that they are imitated? You seem to be assuming that ex-Christians must lose joy, peace, love, etc., when they lose their faith. Why?
Hum...so your claim is that 2/3 of the earths population have peace that they cannot understand because it is contrary to the experiences of 2/3 of the earths population...interesting claim, forgive me for not believing it and asking you to evidence your claim....thanks in advance, not sure how you will evidence it, but not my problem, your claim...as evidence to my claim, I can show you examples that you would dismiss as anecdotal because it is not the norm, which is by the way the claim I am making, that it isnt' the norm.
I totally understood the conversation, it is odd that you would claim I don't given the arguments I presented....but as per my comments, I disagree with both the comment about "they would talk like" and I showed where scripture disagrees with this as well....IOW's I am answering the question you asked as per what scripture says not what man teaches and in doing so, I am disagreeing with the poster who thinks it is about what words we say, that is why I specified things that are not able to be imitated....it would see, that you my friend are the one not following the discussion.
and what??????? I posted my opinion based on the evidence of scripture....it happens to disagree with both of you. Now, you can either ignore my opinion, or respond to it, but quoting it then talking about something other than my claim is not acceptable from forum rules.
Things not able to be imitated... like love, peace, joy, etc., which happen to exhibited by people who are not believers? Yeah, that's not a way of distinguishing anything.
I did not put words in anyone's mouth, you quoted me and what I said then commented that the things I specified that were not easy to mimick were the evidence, you know things like the example I gave of peace that the world cannot understand. You disagreed and claimed that 2/3 of the earths population could mimic the God peace that the world cannot understand because it is foreign to them. Those were not my words, you were your words as they applied to the comments I made and you quoted as responding to....so you see, it is still up to you to evidence how 2/3 of the earths population can imitate a peace that is beyond their understanding because it is contrary to what they know....of course, you could always confess that you misspoke, but in order to communicate in a public forum like this the way you posted, you have to do one or the other.
but see, you were told by me and you quoted me in your response, that I am talking about those things to a degree that is foreign to the majority of the population of the world. Your claim was that they could exist to the degree that I claimed was beyond their understanding and experience, so have fun evidencing that they can...I anxiously await your evidence on this claim of yours....either that, or your confession that you misspoke.
but, read the post I made that you quoted when making this claim...I clearly said that these things were in excess of what the world knows and understands, I even gave a scripture and example of that of peace, a peace that happens when the world says it shouldn't be there. You then make the claim that these things exist to those that are not believers, okay, if you are responding to what I said, then your claim is that things like my example of peace, a peace that is beyond what the world can understand and experience is possible to those that are not believers......how is that possible? How is it possible for the believer to have a peace that defies what the unbeliever knows and understands, but that is still part of the unbelievers life? See, those are totally contradictory comments, and yet you refuse to address my actual claim...seeing how the claim I made was clear and complete and your comment was in relation to my claim, I can only assume at this point is that you refuse to address my claim because you know that you are wrong and don't really have a response but that you don't want to admit it for whatever reason. Now, that being said, I could be wrong and you are encouraged to show me wrong by posting something that is consistent with the argument that was made, but I'm thinking that since you have had plenty of time to do so, you would rather we look at your posts as the posts that sound like a troll rather than someone interested in communication. We will see what your response post reflects.
none of that is what I claimed, so keep trying....I said that things like peace when unbelievers say there should be no peace is evidence of the HS that is the guarantee of salvation, nothing you say here addresses your claim that a peace that doesn't exist without God is existing without God....but I beg of you to show me wrong, so that I can follow truth.
No, that is not what I am saying, or said.
