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Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

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Considering that one kind mutating into another is a sudden event, the likelihood of finding the first mutation would be zero.

How convenient that the likelihood of finding a lynchpin of the theory is zero.
 
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Hi abraxos,

I agree with all that you've said. I too, have this gut feeling, which I believe to be a conviction of the Spirit, that this issue of believing God may well play into God's determination of which ones are faithful to him. My spirit is honestly troubled that God is expecting His children to believe Him. That when we come to accept the truth of Jesus testimony and trust in his sacrifice for our sin that an inward change occurs in our hearts and minds. We should no longer follow the 'truth' and 'wisdom' of man, but rather we will begin to understand and follow and believe the 'truth' of God. If we know the truth based on all that we are taught by men, then what's the purpose of the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth? Don't we already know 'all' truth.

I mean, we've accepted Jesus as Lord, and we believe all the truth that we've learned from man. What other truth is there that comprises this 'all truth' that Jesus is speaking of?

God is on record that He is a jealous God. Would that jealousy extend to the hearts and minds of His children. Is He likely to be angered that those who proclaim His name tell others that we can't honestly believe the fairly plain and simple truth of the time of creation that He repeated for us three times in the Scriptures? Even though He clearly tells us that each day consisted of an evening and a morning just like every day that has passed since. Even today, it is only a sunrise to sunrise day that consists of an evening and a morning. A week consists of several evenings and mornings. An age even more. His description says one singular evening and one singular morning comprised each day of creation. He doesn't say, 'And there were the evenings and the mornings of the first day'. And I personally believe that God caused His Spirit to cause men to write the creation account in just that way as a definer of the length of the days to us.

God is wiser than we could ever think to imagine. He knows the hearts and minds of men. He knows the beginning from the end. God knew when He was prompting men to write down His Scriptures that a time would come when men would argue this very issue. Because of His wisdom and foreknowledge, He had 'evening and morning' written to answer these very questions for the believer who has the Spirit leading him into 'all' truth. The Scriptures speak of a deception that is so strong that even the elect might fall for it if God didn't shorten the days of the end. What is that deception? Is it at all possible that this very issue is that deception? That it is so strong that even the elect might fall under it?

Finally, for me, it does rob God of some of His glory, if we teach that God just started something that over ages and ages became, through natural processes all that we see vs. God created everything that we see pretty much just the way it is. In my mind there is a difference between two gods. One being a God that is so powerful that He can set something in motion and the other a God that is so powerful that He can create everything perfect and good from the moment of its inception. For the later God the heavens declare the glory of God. For the first the heavens only declare a partial glory. The rest all came about through natural processes for which God had nothing to with, other than perhaps He set those natural processes in motion.

Anyway, that's my understanding of this issue. However, I allow that each one believes what they have convinced themselves is the truth. My caution is that we must be very careful if what we believe to be the truth is based on the wisdom and knowledge of man (666) rather than the wisdom and knowledge of God.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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I too, have this gut feeling, which I believe to be a conviction of the Spirit, that this issue of believing God may well play into God's determination of which ones are faithful to him.
Seems obvious, doesn't it?
 
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Yes. And disbelieving God on the clear beginning provides a nice foundation for disbelieving God on the clear end (2 Peter 3:3-9).
This is clearly reflected in Christians who choose to subscribe to naturalistic ideas.
But are they to blame?
Iḿ not sure...
It took me years to de-programme evolutionary thinking.
It's also (still) hard to believe that (popular) science and education have been raped to indoctrinate us with naturaism and evolutionism.
Maybe that's even harder to believe than the Word of God.
This also raises tough questions about why God would allow this.
 
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Romans 1 says we're to blame if we refuse to honor/thank/acknowledge the Creator and people who do this are worshipping and serving the creature rather than the Creator. God calls this ungodliness and unrighteousness and a reason for His wrath (Romans 1:18).

The evolution or millions of years indoctrination is strong and as we can see on here, many Christians have fallen for it. Yesterday I was teaching my sixth grade girls (11 years old) discipleship group about the age of the earth and Biblical authority versus man's authority. I told them to be aware that they will face ridicule even from Christians for believing God's Word, but that's okay.

I personally had the benefit of growing up in the church, and I believed the Bible from a young age. My parents also homeschooled me for most of my pre-college education, so I didn't have as much in-your-face evolution in my formative years.

I'm glad the Holy Spirit guided you to the truth.
 
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That doesn't work, BiblcialAstronom. Job 40:15 says, "But consider the chief of beasts, the crocodile..." and then goes on to describe the behavior of these creatures. So no way is Job referring to dinosaurs.
No way Job is referring to regular Crocs, that is why it calls Leviathan the "Chief of Beasts," here-never a title associated with modern day crocs! If you've ever seen the History Channel show on Dino-Croc, you'll see what I'm talking about...
 
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Obviously the false teachers have taken upon themselves a big part of the responsibility. Woe unto them.
I mean, i can't blame people for believing in evolution.
The evolution or millions of years indoctrination is strong and as we can see on here, many Christians have fallen for it.
So i have noticed...
I think it is not okay.
It frustrates the heck out of me... Glory to God.
 
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It frustrates me, too, sometimes, but I consider it a form of the persecution we are promised (2 Timothy 3:12) and thus I rejoice (Matthew 5:12).
 
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It frustrates me, too, sometimes, but I consider it a form of the persecution we are promised (2 Timothy 3:12) and thus I rejoice (Matthew 5:12).
Unfortunately i'm not that good at N.L.P.
 
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Notice that biblical definition of division is not disagreement over earthly things - it's about teachings contrary to the [sound] doctrine.

Its any disagreement. The world is contrary to sound doctrine because the enemy controls this world. John says to not love this world or the things in it. Jesus says we must lay down our lives and follow Him. Im not saying we must discard Genesis BTW, but rather that we discard politics, and that we not allow science to to define what is sound doctrine, because doctrine is discerned by the spirit, not the natural world.
 
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To answer this question very simply, some Christians don't accept evolution because they have some differences in how they view the bible then the Christians who do agree with evolution.

Im against it because its mans wisdom, Mankind will fall into delusion. I have seen the theory, and its not water tight, but rather built on assumption, in my opinion. I dont understand why we must follow this theory. It only divides Christians, and it wont help the world follow Christ either. You are in effect turning scientists into prophets. They are however false prophets of a man made religious notion. They do not seek God but rather a way to disprove him. Thats what ToE is. Its mans attempt to explain mans own existence without God. To the natural man it seems foolish to believe in the bible, but thats the way God has made it to be. Without His spirit mankind is blind and will think he is wise.
 
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Let's also not forget that the world shows us a selection of fossils and archaeological finds, and hides some as well.
Dishonesty...

Have a look at this:


Yes indeed, ToE is less than a genuine, open minded, pure science.
 
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How convenient that the likelihood of finding a lynchpin of the theory is zero.

How convenient that you ignore the many layers of fossils within the sediments of the MANY floods over many years.

How convenient that you cant show the proof of the young earth, 6 day creation, a time when all living things lived at the same time.
 
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How convenient that you ignore the many layers of fossils within the sediments of the MANY floods over many years.

How convenient that you cant show the proof of the young earth, 6 day creation, a time when all living things lived at the same time.

How convenient for you you to dismiss scripture as nothing more than fallible words written by man, but then blindly accept a fallible theory such as ToE.
 
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* The crafty beast had already fallen before he began working to trip up Adam and Eve.

* Adam and Eve arrived on earth as two adults, previously educated. They spoke the same language as the beast.

* Life had already evolved on this old earth; Cain and Able made contributions to a religious order. "Flocks" and "fields"???? There were many more people than just Adams family.

* After killing his brother, Cain decided to leave his parents, he fears tribes out in the world. God even agrees, puts a "mark" on him. Cain finds a wife among the Nodites.

* Imperfection of Gods children may be inevitable, but Sin is a choice.

* Paul never knew Jesus, he never heard Jesus preach the original gospel, he brought his own Pagan beliefs to the remixed gospel that emerged after the cross. Paul and others are simply wrong to speculate that one man brought Sin into the world. Besides, to follow the story as it is written in the Bible it's more accurate to say "one fallen angel" brought sin into the world.
 
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How convenient for you you to dismiss scripture as nothing more than fallible words written by man, but then blindly accept a fallible theory such as ToE.
I don't blindly accept evolution, proof is in the fossil record. However it is fair to say you blindly accept the pseudo-biographical creation story of the Hebrews.
 
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